Another Toe-Tappin' Republican

[Devastatin Dave]

Tis a valid reason.

But why not just plunk the stories in "News o the weird" thread? Why a whole thread to laugh at the republican party? Surely it seems to be most suited for news o the weird.

CR

Its because Lemur has secret homosexual fantasies about getting tag teamed by Dick Cheney and George Bush.

Nah, its just Lemur being his "independent" self, as he always says....

[Lemur]

Nah, its just Lemur being his "independent" self, as he always says....

Riiight, Dave, 'cause we all know that anyone who finds the Republican take on homosexuality absurd and hypocritical must, by definition, be a Democrat.

Someday we should work on getting you out of binaries. Chicks dig it when you can count past two.

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CR, the reason I don't put these in our beloved News of the Weird thread is that I don't like to post political stuff in there. Doing my bit to keep the Weird News pure.

[Papewaio]

What is surprising that a politician is a hypocrite and will present whatever public image will garner him votes?

More seriously. Can you be a rep, rebulican and openly gay? Or is there a code of conduct that they sign on with?

[Ice]

Riiight, Dave, 'cause we all know that anyone who finds the Republican take on homosexuality absurd and hypocritical must, by definition, be a Democrat.

Of course. Just like anyone who doesn't support the war, isn't a white Christian, and doesn't like Nascar.

[Kralizec]

What is surprising that a politician is a hypocrite and will present whatever public image will garner him votes?

More seriously. Can you be a rep, rebulican and openly gay? Or is there a code of conduct that they sign on with?

http://logcabin.org/

[Crazed Rabbit]

Riiight, Dave, 'cause we all know that anyone who finds the Republican take on homosexuality absurd and hypocritical must, by definition, be a Democrat.

Now see, that's the strange bit. How is the party's stance on homosexuality - being against gay marriage - hypocritical? Or do you take these few isolated incidents as somehow representing all republicans?

The party is not hypocritical, nor the GOP leadership. It really seems to me like somehow you see these incidents as representative of the whole GOP and therefore an indictment against the whole Republican party, which makes no sense.

The real story is that a few politicians are hypocrites. That's it.

CR

[Ronin]

Or do you take these few isolated incidents as somehow representing all republicans?

I think I´ll quote Bill Hicks on this one.... 'When you are that right wing, you must be hiding some very deep, dark secret.'

these isolated incidents are just the tip of the iceberg!

[Xiahou]

Now see, that's the strange bit. How is the party's stance on homosexuality - being against gay marriage - hypocritical?

I think one could make the case that the Democrat party's positions are hypocritical. Their statements are all tailored to whatever group they're standing in front of. If addressing a gay group, they're all in favor of increased privileges. But, put them in front of a minority group and they'll run from those statements or try to pretend they didn't say what they did. Seems pretty two-faced to me.

At least Republicans have a more consistent stance.

[CrossLOPER]

At least Republicans have a more consistent stance.

Too easy.

[Lemur]

Now see, that's the strange bit. How is the party's stance on homosexuality - being against gay marriage - hypocritical? Or do you take these few isolated incidents as somehow representing all republicans?

I think the moment Republicans started pushing for Federal Amendments prohibiting gay marriage, they were putting themselves on the wrong side of human nature and the wrong side of history. Let face facts -- a certain percentage of people attracted to a conservative or reactionary party will also be attracted to hot studs. Or bears, as the case may be.

The real story is that a few politicians are hypocrites. That's it.

Disagree. The Republicans have traded on moral panic for years. They pretty much kept the Congress by fanning up gay hatred in '04. Gotta keep the base turning out, right?

So you'll excuse me if I'm tickled pink when various elected representatives of the party from all over the nation get busted for indiscreet gay sex. It's funny.

At least Republicans have a more consistent stance.

Must ... resist ... temptation ...

[Don Corleone]

Oh come on. Arguing over whether elected Republicans are more true to their stated principals vesus elected Democrats is like arguing which leper in the colony has the most surface area of skin left. At the end of the day, nobody's really got what it takes.

First, Lemur, I hate to say it bro, but you are losing the independent status. You do seem like you've been on a witch-hunt, and it started in the summer of 2006. In all that time, you couldn't post one thread of a Democrat being hypocritical and slimy?

Second, come on guys. Larry Craig asked for sex in a bathroom stall at the airport. The reason gay rights groups were following Larry Craig around wasn't because he was a Republican, but because he was a Republican that actively played the Christian conservative card one time too many and had ran on his willingness to put gays in their place (my words, not his).

Gay marriage is one issue. Equal treatment for gays is a separate issue, and I can see where one would stand for the second and not the first. I do, and I don't think that makes me hypocritical. Gay 'marriage' is about forcing organized religions to recognize homosexuality as a valid lifestyle choice. BUT and this is important, they're still entitled to any legal priveleges and responsiblities anybody else is. We cannot deny them a potenially advantageous legal arrangement because we disagree with their lifestyle choices.

So either we stop treating the institution of marriage as a legal arrangement (and, for the record, the pilgrims at Thanksgiving aside, this country was really founded by Anglicans... who got a tax break when they were confirmed, Anglican, Catholic or Greek Orthodox?) or, we grant civil unions to everyone. But, that's my answer.

I don't think even all openly avowed homosexuals agree with the whole gay-marriage thing.

[Ice]

Nvm.

[Crazed Rabbit]

I think the moment Republicans started pushing for Federal Amendments prohibiting gay marriage, they were putting themselves on the wrong side of human nature and the wrong side of history. Let face facts -- a certain percentage of people attracted to a conservative or reactionary party will also be attracted to hot studs. Or bears, as the case may be.

So? You disagree with their stance on that. That doesn't make the party hypocritical.

Disagree. The Republicans have traded on moral panic for years. They pretty much kept the Congress by fanning up gay hatred in '04. Gotta keep the base turning out, right?

Yeah. Just that one issue, nothing else big was going on was it?

Even then, it doesn't make the party hypocritical, it makes a couple people hypocrites.

So you'll excuse me if I'm tickled pink when various elected representatives of the party from all over the nation get busted for indiscreet gay sex. It's funny.

And you'll have to excuse me as I see nothing about how the party is hypocritical, or all republicans. All you've shown is that there's a couple hypocrites.

Crazed Rabbit
PS You and Don are giving me a serious case of deja vue.

[Xiahou]

I think the moment Republicans started pushing for Federal Amendments prohibiting gay marriage, they were putting themselves on the wrong side of human nature and the wrong side of history.

So the Defense of Marriage Act was well and good, but the amendment went too far? Or were both equally bad?

[Lemur]

Arguing over whether elected Republicans are more true to their stated principals vesus elected Democrats is like arguing which leper in the colony has the most surface area of skin left.

Gorgeous. Quotable. Well-done, sir!

Lemur, I hate to say it bro, but you are losing the independent status. You do seem like you've been on a witch-hunt, and it started in the summer of 2006. In all that time, you couldn't post one thread of a Democrat being hypocritical and slimy?

Oh, I've posted at least one that I can remember off the top of my head, about William Jefferson, he of cash-in-freezer fame. But I won't deny that Republicans have been in my sights far more than anyone else. Democrats fill me with passive distaste, but Republicans make me positively bloodthirsty. My right-wing fellow Americans can howl all they like, but I'm a registered indy. I'm just not a joiner, kids. And if you think I'm some kind of freak, a secret Democrat who dare not speak love's true name, allow me to point out that the current administration polls lower with indies than with Democrats. Make of that what you will.

I don't think even all openly avowed homosexuals agree with the whole gay-marriage thing.

A well-established fact. I still think the Republican Party's hostility toward gay people will haunt them for decades. As I said, they're on the wrong side of history.

Xiahou, Rabbit, what can I say? I'm sorry it chaps your buttocks so badly that I keep posting stories about Republicans who hanker for hot man-meat, but post them I shall. My amusement is more important than life, liberty, or the pursuit of happiness.

[Xiahou]

Xiahou, Rabbit, what can I say?

You could answer my question.

[Lemur]

Oh Xiahou, you Republican lad you, of course I dislike the Defense of Marriage Act. If you want to have a full discussion about gay marriage, however, that ought to be a separate thread. This is for man-craving Republicans.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Democrats fill me with passive distaste, but Republicans make me positively bloodthirsty.

And you're a independent moderate. A fiscal conservative, at that. Righhhhhhht.

Lemur, my point is that you seem to use these stories to accuse the Republican Party of hypocrisy, when the stories support nothing of the sort. I don't see how you can use these stories to say the "republican take" on homosexuality is hypocritical.

You want to know what to say? Stop saying that these incidents have anything to do with the GOP leadership or the hypocrisy of the republican party or that they are anything more than hypocritical politicians, like you have been since Larry Craig.

CR

[Lemur]

You want to know what to say? Stop saying that these incidents have anything to do with the GOP leadership or the hypocrisy of the republican party or that they are anything more than hypocritical politicians, like you have been since Larry Craig.

As I recall, I was simply posting stories about elected Republican men who crave hot, sweaty sex with other men. I was only drawn into discussing the larger ramifications by your badgering about "Why do you post this stuff? Why? WHY?"

As I said, I shall continue to do so. This is mostly about my amusement. Look upon my works, ye mighty, and despair!

[Xiahou]

Oh Xiahou, you Republican lad you, of course I dislike the Defense of Marriage Act. Seeing as it chips away at States' Rights, I guess you love it?

It chips away at state's rights? By not forcing them to recognize another state's marriages if they don't want to? You'll have to explain that one to me.

Now, on to my hypocrisy point, does it bother you that the overwhelming majority of Democrats voted for the DOMA? It's so refreshing to see you rail against the "hypocrisy" of Republicans when their votes match their speeches and continue to give a pass to Democrats who talk one way (depending on their audience) and then vote in a different matter when it comes to being officially on record. Democrats know full well that gay marriage is still unpopular among a majority of Americans, but still they talk it up when it comes to their fund-raising base and they vote against it when given the chance. Who are the hypocrites again?

But as long as you're having a good time making fun of some closeted gays, it's all good right?

[Lemur]

As I said, the Democrats do not exactly get my support. They're wishy-washy as all get-out, and they rarely stand up for anything. Go start your own thread about that, why don't'cha.

For the third time: This thread is about Republican men who love hot man-on-man action.

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You do realize that now you two have voiced your considerable scorn on this thread, I'm going to have to keep it alive for much, much longer than I would have otherwise, right?

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I realized my error and edited my initial post about DOMA. However, you were too quick on the quote for that retraction. Apologies, my first take was wrong.

[Xiahou]

As I said, the Democrats do not exactly get my support. They're wishy-washy as all get-out, and they rarely stand up for anything. Go start your own thread about that, why don't'cha.

Not interested. As long as everyone realizes you're being completely one-sided and partisan with this one my job is done.

You do realize that now you two have voiced your considerable scorn on this thread, I'm going to have to keep it alive for much, much longer than I would have otherwise, right?

Whatever gets you your jollies is none of my concern. Just don't start asking for special legal recognition of your proclivities, ok?

I realized my error and edited my initial post about DOMA. However, you were too quick on the quote for that retraction. Apologies, my first take was wrong.

Carry on then.

[Lemur]

Not interested. As long as everyone realizes you're being completely one-sided and partisan with this one my job is done.

Would you say I have a bias? Please, please say it ...

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PS: This was worthy of Rush himself:

But as long as you're having a good time making fun of some closeted gays, it's all good right?

Gorgeous! Beautiful! Xiahou, defender of the dignity of closeted men everywhere! That really did give me a good laugh. Thanks.

[Xiahou]

Gorgeous! Beautiful! Xiahou, defender of the dignity of closeted men everywhere! That really did give me a good laugh. Thanks.

No... I don't think I've ever made that claim. I would think it'd be you, who's so concerned with the welfare of homosexuals everywhere that would be sensitive to that issue. But, I guess that doesn't extend to Republican homosexuals.

[Lemur]

But, I guess that doesn't extend to Republican homosexuals.

Normally, I would say that a politician's private life is just that. However, when a political party is inordinately concerned with what happens in the bedroom, I think it's legitimate to have a laugh at members who are indiscreet and hypocritical. Were this problem happening on the Democratic side, I'm sure you would agree.

It's kind of like my personal "don't make fun of fat people" rule. I break it when the fat boy in question likes to make fun of other people's infirmities or disabilities. Do unto others and all that.

Republican homosexuals are caught in a permanent state of cognitive dissonance. Don't tell me that isn't amusing.

[Csargo]

LEMUR YOU HAVE BEEN INVITED TO JOIN THE ORG CHAT.

[Lemur]

I HEAR AND I OBEY.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Normally, I would say that a politician's private life is just that. However, when a political party is inordinately concerned with what happens in the bedroom, I think it's legitimate to have a laugh at members who are indiscreet and hypocritical.

You'll have to point out where they wanted to prosecute homosexuals or ban homosexual sex.

CR

[Devastatin Dave]

Looks as though Lemur has joined the Tribesy Party...

[Lemur]

Looks as though Lemur has joined the Tribesy Party...

True dat. Just look at how many smileys I use ...