Turkey Recalls Ambassador Over Genocide Resolution

[Samurai Waki]

The Native American condition is very well documented and taught in public schools. I believe the government has "fessed up" to it in many ways, including financial aid and other benefits given to them.

Have you ever been to a reservation? These places are the dirtiest, poorest, and most crime ridden places in the USA. The Crow Indian Reservation outside of Billings qualifies as the poorest place in the USA, and just by looking at it you'll see exactly why. Yeah, we were taught that we weren't be nice the Natives in School, but they don't ever tell you to what extent, you have to see it for your own eyes and you can. The very idea that the Natives Must stay in these dirt poor hovels, without guarantee of a job, or electricity, or clean water just so that they can get a Federal Aid Check every 2 months is just barely enough for them to stay, because most of them are afraid that they'll lose what little shreds of the Cultural Pride they have left if they leave... not exactly what I would call "Financial aid and benefits".

[Lemur]

Yeah, we were taught that we weren't be nice the Natives in School, but they don't ever tell you to what extent, you have to see it for your own eyes and you can.

Um, but neither do we deny the genocide of the Native Americans. I get what you're saying -- they were treated deplorably, are treated deplorably, so the 'fessing up doesn't matter. But that's a sort of misdirection on your part.

America, as a nation, does not deny the genocide of the Native Americans. Full stop. For the purposes of this discussion, I think that's enough. How much worse would it be if every American schoolchild were taught that Indians were really terrorists who vanished 'cause, um, 'cause they just kinda did.

You feel that we have not done enough to compensate the survivors of the Native American genocide? That's a legitimate point of view, but it doesn't create moral equivalence with genocide deniers.

[Samurai Waki]

Um, but neither do we deny the genocide of the Native Americans. I get what you're saying -- they were treated deplorably, are treated deplorably, so the 'fessing up doesn't matter. But that's a sort of misdirection on your part.

America, as a nation, does not deny the genocide of the Native Americans. Full stop. For the purposes of this discussion, I think that's enough. How much worse would it be if every American schoolchild were taught that Indians were really terrorists who vanished 'cause, um, 'cause they just kinda did.

You feel that we have not done enough to compensate the survivors of the Native American genocide? That's a legitimate point of view, but it doesn't create moral equivalence with genocide deniers.

Well... this is kind of tricky actually, because while as Americans we do not deny the genocide of Natives it doesn't actually read the same on paper; its sort of the exact opposite situation that the Turks face. Americans don't deny it, and our government doesn't either, but it's not willing to "Officially" Recognize it as a Genocide because the Federal Government feels it compensated the Natives by giving them Federal Aid and their own respective Sovereign Nations (albeit fully in control by the Federal Government). But the Reservation System while a good idea in theory, was seriously taken out of context in the 1880s-1890s, because the Government really didn't want to pay for it, nor do anything to solve the situation. after most of the population had already been massacred they just corralled them into their own neighborhoods and threw money at them, even if they never had any use for it to begin with.

And being a Montanan and living around some of these Neo Nazi...*bleh* Hill Folk, I can certainly tell you that to some people living around here, have to some extent a bias (though never spoken of publicly) they don't believe the Genocide ever took place, or wish they would have fully finished the job. Its really disgusting, considering some of the best friends I've ever had in my life were Natives (mostly Blackfoot and some Sioux). And these people STILL believe that the Federal Government are just trying to throw money at the problem instead of attempting to build up commerce, or put some kick in their economy so that they can live a higher standard of life (and this doesn't include Indian Casinos as most Natives believe these aren't the positive kinds of change they want).

We don't deny our own genocide. But we're unwilling to do anything in earnest to solve it 110 years later. I don't know which ones worse.

[PanzerJaeger]

Have you ever been to a reservation? These places are the dirtiest, poorest, and most crime ridden places in the USA. The Crow Indian Reservation outside of Billings qualifies as the poorest place in the USA, and just by looking at it you'll see exactly why. Yeah, we were taught that we weren't be nice the Natives in School, but they don't ever tell you to what extent, you have to see it for your own eyes and you can. The very idea that the Natives Must stay in these dirt poor hovels, without guarantee of a job, or electricity, or clean water just so that they can get a Federal Aid Check every 2 months is just barely enough for them to stay, because most of them are afraid that they'll lose what little shreds of the Cultural Pride they have left if they leave... not exactly what I would call "Financial aid and benefits".

I think we're talking on two different levels.

Like Lemur said, I certainly am not arguing that the Native Americans are treated well or that the US has or is repairing the damage. Im just saying that the US government does not deny what was done to them and in fact it has become an increasingly large part of American History classes. I remember in school there was a whole chapter devoted to the treatment of the slaves, the Native Americans and the immigrant Asian workers, along with descriptions of the treatment of the Indians in other chapters.