Turkey Recalls Ambassador Over Genocide Resolution

**Lemur** · 10-17-2007, 02:46

Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh

Plausible scenario?

Anything's possible, but this does sound a bit tinfoil-hat-esque. Remember the modern version of Occam's Razor -- never ascribe to conspiracy that which can be explained by incompetence.

**Devastatin Dave** · 10-17-2007, 03:41

Originally Posted by Lemur

Anything's possible, but this does sound a bit tinfoil-hat-esque. Remember the modern version of Occam's Razor -- never ascribe to conspiracy that which can be explained by incompetence.

Tinfoil hatesque? Get real, of course this is what they are doing. But who cars if it gets more of our troops killed as long as it keeps your favorite party in power right Lemur. I wish you guys and your political leaders on the left didn't "support the troops" so much.

**Lemur** · 10-17-2007, 03:44

In other words, according to our pet conspiracy theorists:

**Devastatin Dave** · 10-17-2007, 03:49

Originally Posted by Lemur

In other words, according to our pet conspiracy theorists:

Get a good laugh my friend. Its a real side splitter. I'm glad I'm not in the military anymore since over half the legislative branch is doing their best to stab you in the back and atleast have of the civilian population could give a ####. Oh I forgot, but you still support the troops right Lemur?

**Lemur** · 10-17-2007, 04:25

Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave

Oh I forgot, but you still support the troops right Lemur?

Well, I don't accessorize with an American flag lapel pin, and my car does not have a yellow ribbon magnet on it, so I guess I must not. Really DD, it should be easy for you to pick out the anti-American traitors.

**IrishArmenian** · 10-17-2007, 04:39

Well played, Lemur.
Anyway, it really angers me that politicians are abusing the Genocide. They're only bringing this up so Turkey doesn't invade Northern Iraq.
Big disappointment, I know! Politicians are, in fact, dirty, terrible people.

Kukri, I'm not sure I understand what you mean.

**KukriKhan** · 10-17-2007, 04:50

Originally Posted by IrishArmenian

...Kukri, I'm not sure I understand what you mean.

I mean I think it's none of my congress's business to deplore someone else's ancient politico-military decisions, particularly when our own are equally deplorable.

And that this kind of action does nothing to address or improve the situation on the ground in the (not-ancient, but current) warzone, where young men - Turk, Kurd, Iraqi, American, and others - stand to lose their lives in greater numbers than they might have without these thoughtless, pandering, so-called resolutions.

Full disclosure: my army son is stationed near the Turk border.

**Husar** · 10-17-2007, 11:07

Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave

I'm glad I'm not in the military anymore since over half the legislative branch is doing their best to stab you in the back and atleast have of the civilian population could give a ####.

Do I see a new "Dolchstoßlegende" in the making?

**Devastatin Dave** · 10-17-2007, 13:31

Originally Posted by Husar

Do I see a new "Dolchstoßlegende" in the making?

Its quite adorable watching you attempt to deflect your nations immorality upon myself and my country. The FACT that your ancestors (perhaps very recent ancestors, Uncle Wolfgang, Granpa Wilhelm perhaps) are the cause for not just millions, but tens of millions of lives to be snuffed out cannot be compared to my request of a fellow citizen to show a little patriotism or allegience to his country. Germany will ALWAYS be rememberd for the FACT that it caused the deaths of millions and will always be remembered as the one country that has caused the most death and destruction world wide. Maybe it doesn't read that way in your school textbooks or something. No matter how much moral deflection you attempt, it will never wash the blood off your hands. My country has the blood of the Native American, but that can also be a result of European colonilalism, which hasn't been the beacon of light for the world either has it my little self rightous European friends. So next time you little preachers of truth, justice, and the European way want to give a sermon about morality, maybe you guys should take a long look in the mirror.

**Husar** · 10-17-2007, 13:53

Dave, I've explained before that I don't see blood on my hands if my ancestors did anything wrong, neither do I blame you for what your ancestors may or may not have done to the native Americans.
Everybody is responsible for his own deeds in my view and that's why I'm not going to take the blame for what the Nazis did, I'd rather make sure it doesn't happen again.

That said, AFAIK the Dolchstoßlegende was used by the Nazis but originated from royalists in the german army after WW1, I'm sorry if I sounded like you were a Nazi, that wasn't my intention, I just wanted to point out that your view sounds like a conspiracy theory.

**Banquo's Ghost** · 10-17-2007, 13:43

Originally Posted by Husar

Do I see a new "Dolchstoßlegende" in the making?

Jibes comparing a person's views to the Nazis have a tendency to provoke offense, and we all ought to know better.

A response has been posted, which I will allow to stand, in that it underlines rather eloquently the point made above - but I don't want this thread derailed any further, nor personal attacks to continue against any poster.