Turkey Recalls Ambassador Over Genocide Resolution

[Komutan]

I doubt the PKK would keep attack as fervently if they were given land.
Look at the ASALA and the ASP! They have not made an attack in years!

ASALA?

Of course ASALA did not make an attack in years, as it does not exist anymore.

Besides, the territory it wanted(part of Turkey) was not given.

[Tribesman]

I doubt the PKK would keep attack as fervently if they were given land.
Look at the ASALA and the ASP! They have not made an attack in years!
The fact that it pleases the majority should be reason enough.
Ethnic terrorists can only be truly stopped by their own people.

OK . the problem with that approach in this particular situation is that they are alledgedly operating in another countries territory , alledgedly with some assistance from other Kurdish groups from that territory and other territories who each have various claims .
Turkey expanding its current millitary presence and strikes in Iraq is only addressing one part of the issue and one part of the problem .
What is needed for any territorial agreement to have any affect is to get all countries and all groups involved to form an agreement together, since the groups have a tendancy to fight each other over their differing views of what they want and the countries have very differing views on what they are willing to give that prospect is a long long way away yet .

[Banquo's Ghost]

Brenus, your rebuttals read much like the Turkish responses to accusations about their conduct in the Kurdish areas. Denial and disparaging remarks about the reporting. Fair enough, I have derailed this thread enough already.

My point is not to defend the Turkish responses against the PKK and Kurds, but to challenge claims put forward in posts like this:

We had terrorist action from so-called Ethnic minorities. I don’t remember the Foreign Legion starting to burn the villages supported by the attack helicopters, or burning crops and killing livestock… A police operation has as aim to bring outlaws in court…

I agree with the last sentence, of course. Nonetheless, many other countries, including yours, have taken brutal counter-measures against insurgencies. It is hard for us to point fingers and look aghast when our own actions belie our words.

[Husar]

I agree with the last sentence, of course. Nonetheless, many other countries, including yours, have taken brutal counter-measures against insurgencies. It is hard for us to point fingers and look aghast when our own actions belie our words.

I'm going to throw in Kant here.

As a human everybody is allowed to point fingers in what you describe as long as his/her very own actions do not belie it. As a citizen, that may be a different matter, you have to differentiate between Brenus the human and Brenus the french citizen, though as he defended his government's actions I guess he is posing as a french citizen here, so go ahead.

[Brenus]

“Nonetheless, many other countries, including yours, have taken brutal counter-measures against insurgencies.” Yes, France did. Still interesting in what Johan Hari described is what the French Army allegedly does is not against French Citizens. It is in a foreign country in a typical post-colonial (or even fully colonial) period.
My point was that the Turkish government doesn’t treat (so considered) his Kurdish Citizens are Turk. In bombing Iraqis Kurds in reaction of what a Turkism Kurds did is a plain acceptation that Kurds are one nation… Like the French in Algeria recongnised in practising torture and deportation that Algeri was de-facto an other country...

“It is hard for us to point fingers and look aghast when our own actions belie our words.”
Nope, I don’t support at any cost my country. French chains are chains and not good. However, when I read an article I except to have information and fact, not what an old man, woman, kid or whoever point of view without question.
I had friends in the Foreign Legion (long time ago…) and I know the French African Policy is well, policy. See Chad, Central Africa, Congo, Djibouti etc. Dirty operations were conduct and are still done. However I need facts before to have a judgement and this article gives none. Rwanda and Burundi were never a French Colonies for ex. So why to compare with Central Africa which was? Claiming that the French are responsible for all genocides without a beginning of a proof is not enough for me…
I am sorry; I don’t trust any more journalists. I saw what they did in former-Yugoslavia.

[LeftEyeNine]

Ho-ho it's Geno-mas. Welcome me.

You people already know my point of view about the Armenian Issue. It's an issue to me, emerged and aided by the big brothers always looking have a noose and thus hold of a developing young country which they obviously wished never existed. (I had the French, the English, the Italians, the Greeks and the Russians as invaders back in times; as a reminder)

As long as IrishArmenian and other Diaspora Armenians will keep on underestimating what they had done for a START (514.000 death toll; as a reminder), I doubt anything compromisable will come out of this. But, hey now they have lobbies all around (which is hugely our mistake: we are dumbasses too lazy to foresee a snowball forming into an avalanche; as a reminder), and since Turkish Foreign Affairs is managed something like a zoo or döner kebab restaurant and while Turkey is economically dependant to foreign resources, why not push it in governmental aspects ?

Nobody cares about the French and the Russians provoking and arming the Armenian rebels (once called milleti-i sadıka="the loyal nation"; as a reminder), but since we have massacred each other and have got ourselves a neverending conflict, the French cities can be filled with Armenian "Genocide" Memorial Statues or whatsoever. ALL HAIL THE PUPPETMASTAH! THEY DEMOCRACY SO HARD THAT THEY CAN SCREW THEIR IMMIGRANTS WHILE ERECTING MEMORIALS FOR THEIR COMMITMENT IN A NEVERLAND GENOCIDE ! "ADMIT IT, DOG" ! HUZZAH ! CAN YOU HEAR THE DEMOCRACY JINGLE? HUZZAH!

I'm tired and pissed of it. USA is to blame, France is to blame, Russia is to blame, Great Britain is to blame for this. Being seriously great people as Turkey Armenians as far as I know, now that the imperialist puppetmasters have pulled the strings so well that I'm getting so frustrated to see that we are being torn apart from those nice people, who have wholeheartedly accepted Turkish identity just as how every people over there in US accept to be an American. I still remember Levon Panos Dabagyan, a Turkey Armenian historian, calling for the re-unity among ourselves, calling himself a Turkish soldier in a battle against Armenia, if it could ever happen. I have been told that, there was a banner hung up in the coastal roads of Yeniköy, Istanbul, saying that: "As Turkish Armenians we have felt and will be feeling the pride of living under this flag on these lands - Armanlı Family".

What can Pelosi or what can YOU know about what had happened and how it feels for us by reading news or getting the mighty contribution of super-accurate websites ? While Mesrob Mutafyan, the Patriarch of Turkey Armenians, declares the necessity of the Turkey Armenians to be held out of this resolution mess, openly expressing their will to prevent it, why the hell are those imperialist, so-called humanist masters of divide & manage v2.0 policy in this?

Briefly, why do you hate us so much?

The Turkey Armenians could use ways of armed rebellion as a terrorist organization, but they do not anymore. ASALA, founded in Beirut fed by the imperialists to make a mess, died off by 1983. (Strangely PKK performs its first terrorist action in 1984. ^^) Why? Because it could not find "soil to take root", from the ethnic group it was meant for. It was because, the Turkey Armenians did not want it.

So, again, why do you try to tear me off from my brothers so hard ?

I'll never touch the PKK issue here, 'cause I'm truly biased about Kurds and I never intend to violate The Org 's beautiful order (once/any more).

Hint:

ASALA, founded in Beirut fed by the imperialists to make a mess, died off by 1983. (Strangely PKK performs its first terrorist action in 1984. ^^) Why? Because it could not find "soil to take root", from the ethnic group it was meant for. It was because, the Turkey Armenians did not want it.

P.S. IA, your plastic "we are all brothers and sisters !!!1111" are smelling..too plastic.. I guess that's a side effect from it coming all overseas, sorry.

Merry Geno-mas, Ho-ho !

Edit: Please don't misunderstand certain addressings which are definitely away from you here I put by saying "you". Just to make sure. Thanks. ^^

[IrishArmenian]

LEN, you write as if Armenia has flourished and become a western powerhouse. That is, of course false! Why? The very nations you believe support us, the Western powers. So they can play nice with Turkey and Azerbaijan, they don't care how Armenians fare.
Why is it so hard to see that a group of people who help power in what is now Turkey committing ethnic cleansing? The problem lies in your believing that they are your forebears. That is simply not true and that prevents--pardon the generalisation--Turks and Armenians from getting back to that cordiality that existed before the Russian invasion.
That the Genocide has much to do with politics is disheartening. Apparently, politicians decide what happened in the past and what didn't. That politicians, as politicians naturally do, abuse the Genocide insults the Armenian people.
But you seem not to care at all. After all, you already have your pre-concieved notion of Armenians and babbling from someone with such a bias as to have 'Armenian' in his name has no effect on you. The reason behind why I care is because I want to show you that we can coexist peacefully, even if I'm not a Turkish Armenian, I'm an Armenian born Armenian--at the time, it was the Soviet Socialist State of Armenia. See, despite what we both may've been taught in school, the other is still a real person, a real person with morals, a real person who doesn't like arguing over such a tragic issue all the time.
Your cynicism about my believing in brotherhood amongst our people does not surprise me. Maybe you think I'm a property-hungry, greedy person who is looking at increasing my holdings as I understand is the Armenian stereotype or maybe I'm a decietful nationalist. I'm either one of those, or just a person who follows a religion based on peace, brotherhood, compassion, mercy; who developed a strong personal hate for war and who, after hearing from survivors, would never wish such a tragedy like the Genocide on anyone, regardless.
Think whatever you want, but being so calloused as to say merry Geno-mas is absoulutely despicable.
Also, you seem to be using democracy with negative connotations, which is a little odd. Care to explain why?
Lastly, the ASALA died of because Armenians in general did not want it. Do you really think that the only moral Armenians are Turkish Armenians?