Council of the Koinon Hellenon

[Bootsiuv]

This game is over. Thanks to all those who played along and I do hope everyone will consider joining us in our SSbQ Succession Game, which will be played on the EB v1.0 platform.

[Centurio Nixalsverdrus]

Foolish children. Do you really think you can put up a rebellion against your rightful overlords? Await your brutal punishment!

[Bootsiuv]

Foolish children. Do you really think you can put up a rebellion against your rightful overlords? Await your brutal punishment!

Who let that Makedonian Scum in here!? Guards, sieze him!

[Spoofa]

im half makedonian (in my dreams)

dont tell anybody though.

[theycallmetighty]

The man who had earlier entered late now stood and spoke.

I have reviewed the situation my friends, and put forth another proposal.

proposal 8. raise a unit of Hoplitai Haploi

the army of Antigonos stands outside the walls of Athens and threatens it. Raising an extra unit of these cheap warriors will help to hold the walls without too much expense.

[Bootsiuv]

My fellow greeks...

Many of you, even my own son, fail to realize that Korinthos, Athenai, and Chalkis are all within a seasons march of each other. Troops besieging Korinthos and Chalkis could easily assist any besieged garrison force within weeks.

I will besiege Korinthos in Spring of 272 BC. I will pull the entire garrison out of Sparte, leaving my son and governor of Sparte with his personal bodyguard to maintain order. I will attack Korinthos in summer of 272. Following the fall of the city. I will order Chremonides to lead a campaign across the straits into Euboea and besiege Chalkis. Our leagues armies which took Korinthos will be sent to Athenai to recieve upgraded armor and weapons from Athenian Blacksmiths. So you see, my esteemed council-members, Athenai will be without a major garrison for only a few short days.

I will likely keep the Rhodian Garrison. It currently stands at less than 300 men.

The projected ships will be decommisioned and scrapped, and their crews will be released back into the public.

Akrotatos, Chremonides, and Agathokles will determine tax levels in Sparte, Athenai, and Rhodos respectively. I will likely take Korinthos as my governance, and will determine tax rates there. Korinthos will fall under the Spartan sphere of influence, and Chalkis will fall under the Athenian sphere of influence.

I will update the MIC in Athenai if I have the necessary resources. I will also retrain and reoutfit the majority of our army in Athenai.

This is the plan for my reign. Any objections should be discussed here and now.

*Areus sits down and stares around the room, looking for someone to challenge him*

[KuKulzA]

As I have said before, as long as the soldiers of Epeiros are occupying what would be Makedonian reinforcements then Rhodos supports the taking of Chalkis. I await the day when Rhodos can prove its worth, but for now I wish the Spartans to exercise both their innate martial ability and the caution I have encouraged

[Basileus Seleukeia]

Proposal 1: invade Corinth-yay
Proposal 2: invade Chalkis-nay
Proposal 3: Disband 2/3 of fleet-yay
Proposal 4: Build coastal clearance-yay
Proposal 5: Relocate Rhodean garrison-nay
Proposal 6: Build Athenian MIC-nay, as long as we can't provide money for it
Proposal 7: Create a Spy Network in the Kingdom of Epeiros-yay
We have to be carefull, my bretheren. We must not exacerbate Pyrrhos by stationing spys in his citys, as they can be spotted there, they may even tell him they are hired by us to save their lives. Therefore I suggest to only keep them in the land, collecting the "word on the roads"

[Spoofa]

If I may, fellow greeks, I propose that we raise some Peltastai in Sparte, to reinforce the attacking forces of my father as soon as they are made, they are excellent skirmishers and fair infantry, they are also from Sparte, the city-state that breeds hero's, they will fight with a ferocity known only to Achilles.

[Bootsiuv]

I agree with the young Spartan. Spartan Peltastai will likely be our most versatile troops until better infrastructure can be built. I will request at least one unit this year, and very likely one unit the following year.

[KuKulzA]

we will need to choose our battles wisely, and use our more mobile though outdated peltasti and hoplatai against the heavier but inflexible phalangites... I am sure the martial tradition of Sparte is strong with you Yes to peltasti

[Bootsiuv]

Well, if the council agrees to building a factional MIC in Athenai, we could build it for 3000 mnai in 6 seasons. That would give us Ekdromoi Hoplitai (Light Hoplites) which are 10/21. If we decide to wait and update Sparte's MIC, it would cost 7500 mnai and take two years. That would allow us to build Hoplitai (Classical Greek Hoplites) which are 10/23 for roughly the same cost. We would also gain access to Hippeis (Medium Greek Cavalry), which are the best cavalry we can have until we conquer Thessalia, but remember that Athenai already has a blacksmith in place. If we wait to upgrade in Sparte, our best armies will consist of Hoplitai Haploi from Athenai and Peltastai from Sparte for some years. Not a very formidable force.

[Spoofa]

I think, as of now MIC upgrades are out of the question, we must focus on our economy, upgrading our military branch at this time provides no economical bonus, only economical penalties, as of now I recommend full focus on economy until we have secured Korinthos and Chalkis at least.

[theycallmetighty]

I agree, It is my opinion that we should limit ourselves to builds of under 1,000 mnai until we have more cities from which to extract resources

[KuKulzA]

I think perhaps our plan should follow this roughly...

seize Korinthos, disband majority of navy & Rhodos' garrison, make an alliance and trade with Epeiros
if Epeiros takes the fight to Makedon or even takes Pella, we will advance on Chalkis, focus on making economic structures
once we have a good hold on our cities and are making steady income, we should consider MIC in Athena

I have done a bit of testing and I have found that a fast-attack on Korinthos and Chalkis CAN be done, if the Spartan general, his spartans and troops and the garrison at Athenai are used in concert, which is tricky in the first turn, but is easier to accomplish in the second provided that the Makedonians retreat northward to fend off Phyrrus. Also, building the 'barracks' at Sparte is not a good idea... early on we want chea and flexible... light Hoplatai will give us that... Classic hoplatai might give us the meat to fight a battle of attrition but we have not the resources to fight that sort of war... we need fast and decisive, therefore I feel light hoplitai, peltasts, and our original troops will have to suffice until the Makedonian threat has lessened and we can truly develop out economy and military further

[Spoofa]

The spartan Hoplites will hold anything and everything, we are the best soldiers in the known world.

[Basileus Seleukeia]

Yes, my Spartan brother, your city has a long history of heroic fighting. Now prove that the Sparta of today is worth this reputation! I strongly aggree with recruiting Peltastai in Sparte, but if we build a MIC in the near future, Athens is the first city for this. Sparta's population has been drained ny hundreds of years of constant warfare and a harsh education of their sons, so they can't provide the mainstay of our armies, but truly they can provide us with the necessary elites to fight against the Makedonian warriors. But until Sparte can bring her bravest warriors to our cause, we need a cunning and adaptable general who can perform good with an army of skirmishers, not only with a force of hoplites.

[Spoofa]

Fellow Councilmen, It has been a year since the beginning of my term, and after taking over for my father I feel that I have improved our situation greatly for the benefit of all.



First, I had my father start the training for a unit of spartan Peltastai, these rough and ready soldiers are fit for almost any job, flanking maneuvers, skirmishing, and even holding our battleline, they are skirmishers that have greater fighting ability then our militia hoplitai, but are somewhat expensive so as of now, we can only afford a few of these hardy men.


Secondly, I had some of the Hoplitai in Athenai requipped with new, better weaponry from Athenai's new blacksmiths.


The spy on Crete has explored the major city on the island, and has scouted out the garrison there, Soon we should liberate this island from the pirates and mercenaries and take advantage of the Cretans and the additional control of Aegean sea trade.


I fear that our friend, Agathokles Rhodios is near his end.


I have also secured an alliance with Epiros, but Phyrus did not take pella, he merely retreated to ambrakia.


And finally, I have laid seige to Korinthos.

[Spoofa]

272 B.C. Summer


I have decided now is time to assault the walls of Korinthos, I have created a few ladders and a place to dig underneath their walls to crumble it.



First I sent the helots to start the dig, while sending the Spartans and my bodygaurd onward to assault the walls with the ladder, and I sent our slingers to return fire against the enemy slingers.





after what seemed like endless harassment from the enemy towers and slingers, we finally reached the walls of the city-state known as Korinthos.



After the first men jumped off the ladders into the enemy, a bloodbath took place. We had assaulted the part of the wall with their skirmishers, and my Spartans tore them apart easily, they flung themselves off the walls once they realized they were fighting the greatest warriors in the world.




Our helots did their job, and the Militia hoplitai of mine rushed through the gap in the wall and proceeded to take the gatehouse and adjacent towers.



Finally, the enemy sent their strongest foot soldiers against us, as our lines pushed forward I was stuck in the middle, unable to sink my sword into my enemies flesh.

After we had finally killed all that stood in our way of control of the walls, I looked back upon the carnage and saw countless bodies piled upon eachother...

The Thessalonian Cavalry put up the greatest fight, they charged relentlessly into the Militia Hoplitai, causing them massive casualties, and some fled before the final battle took place in the town square, My spartans had to finish the job, After we had killed the Cavalry and their general, we continued to the town square to finish off the leves remaining there, we easily slaughtered them all.





I have created a shrine to Zeus, in praise for this victory.

The coastal clearing of the Spartan coast has allowed for small trading ships to get some of their goods via sea to Sparte, creating more tax.

I have also secured trade with the Getai, barbarians from the north.

There is, one thing I need to bring up to the council, our scouts have discovered a large grouping of Makedonian troops near Demetrias, within striking distance of Athenai, and I am curious what my peers think of this development and what actions I should now take.

( I think maybe I used too many pictures, or else i would have gone into more detail about the fight and economic improvements, tell me if the number of pictures is okay or not, since i would like to include more)

[Bootsiuv]

Number of pics was fine. I like lots of pics, and I have dial-up....I don't see how they could possibly bother someone with hi-speed.

I am glad to see that Korinthos has fallen into Koinon hands. I am anxious about the army near Demetrias. Mark my words, our greatest battles with Makedonia will take place in the hills of Thessalia.

You should focus the second half of your term on rebuilding our army. I would advise another unit of Spartan Peltastai be recruited as well. Bring our divisions of Hoplitai Haploi back up to full strength and refit them in Athenian arms and armor. Our missle troops should have their armor hardened in Athenian forges, as well. This will give us an edge against what will be numerically superior forces in Thessalia and Makedonia proper.

I also urge the council to agree to recruit 2 divisions of Hippokontistai (Greek Skirmisher Cavalry) selected from young Athenian freemen (when funds allow). The Makedonian Army is well known for their outstanding cavalry. Having cavalry of our own will allow us to counter this threat.

We may also be able to find greeks in the villages of Thessalia who would be willing to ride under our banner (I think you can recruit a division of Thessalian Cavalry in Thessalia, but I may be wrong).

[Spoofa]

(with the merc mod we are using the mercenary recruitment is much more accurate, like in Athenai you can hire those elite hoplitai.)

[KuKulzA]

Agathokles Rhodios lies on his bed, awaiting Hades... a sudden spasm siezes his old frame and he jumps up, startling his servant and causing consternation to cross his bodyguard's face

"Before my death, fellow Hellenes, I must learn how to take screenshots efficiently so as to not have to 'Print Screen", pause, copy & paste in Paint, save, and then continue, for my EB is prone to CTDs and will with frequent switching. Is there a way to take screenshots and have them stored in a cache where I can later access them and convert to .jpgs?"

His Rhodian advisor looks at him quizzically... then asks, "and what of the war against Makedon lord?"

"Oh yes... umm... good work Spartan but please retrain and ready our forces, for the region just to the north of Athenai will be a decisive battleground if my predictions are true. With the taking of Korinthos, let Zeus guide our army with righteousness!"

Agathokles Rhodios settles back into his bed, sighing as the warm Mediterranean breeze sifts through the silk curtains of his estate. His bodyguard moves to check the window, and then returns to his post.

[Bobolicious]

Is there a way to take screenshots and have them stored in a cache where I can later access them and convert to .jpgs

You could download FRAPS (Im pretty sure its called FRAPS) Its free, and should let you take screenshots, Videos, etc with ease. And then it stores them in a place where you can find them. I've only taken one pic with it, so i dont know how well everything else works, but the screenshot part worked fine.

Oh yeah, good going spoofa, and I really like the fourth pic from the bottom.

[EasternScourge]

Chremonides stands up,applauding the Spartans.

"Well done Spartan warriors.With Korinthos secure the rear of Athens is safe,more taxes for us,and we have captured the shrine to Zeus that had once been controlled by the Makedonian scum.As representative of Athens,I feel the next course of action is to rebuild and reequip the army so as to prepare for the campaign into the Makedonian controlled regions of Greece.While the rest of the councils current proposals are fine,we may want to hire maybe one or two more units of militia hoplite.They may not be the greatest fighters,but they are better than an army made of more skirmishers than infantry."

Chremonides sits down to wait on the rest of the councls words.

[Basileus Seleukeia]

I congratulate you, Akrotatos, you have proven that our Spartan Bretheren deserve their proud ancestry of warriors. I aggree with the council that first you should bring your army to full strength again and that you equip them with the best equipment of Athenai. But I suggest that the liberation of Crete can wait, as they are no real threat to us. Once we have brought peace to Hellas, we might think of adding them to our league, though. I also aggree with Chremonides on behalf of training Hoplitai Haploi, as they will prove more usefull against the Makedonian Cavalry than the Peltastai.

[Bootsiuv]

http://www.fraps.com/download.php for anyone else who would like it. It's a great little program.

I would like to know if my son plans on invading Euboea before the end of his term. We cannot allow this island which lays so close to Attika remain in Makedonian hands. If we move north before the island is captured, Antigonos could flank us while our main army is tied down in Thessalia. I strongly advise the council to approve the invasion of Euboea. I vote Chremonides leads the assault, while Akrotatos remains in Athenai and prepares for the invasion north.

[Bobolicious]

I agree with basileus, we need more hoplitai haploi to hold the lines. However, I think that if we can afford to spare the troops, then we should take crete. If not crete, then chalkis. However, I dont think there is as large a payoff there, but any troops recruited would be able to take part in the battle quickly.

[theycallmetighty]

You have done a great service to the Koinon, Akrotatos. Spartan bravery has proved its might and of the bodies that lay dead on the walls few of them are spartan. Now I say we replenish and reequip our ranks and throw the Makedons not just from Hellas, but from the face of the earth!

[Bootsiuv]

Taking Krete now would require us to send a relatively large invasion force a few hundred miles south, when our enemies lie to the north. Euboea is under Makedonian control. Krete is an independent city-state. I would much rather weaken the empire to the north, as opposed to sending a large portion of our troops on a rather risky voyage through a sea filled with pirates and Makedonian fleets. Euboea will not require a major sea invasion, and it lies much closer to the heart of our lands. I would advise we save Krete for when Pella falls.

[KuKulzA]

Taking Krete now would require us to send a relatively large invasion force a few hundred miles south, when our enemies lie to the north. Euboea is under Makedonian control. Krete is an independent city-state. I would much rather weaken the empire to the north, as opposed to sending a large portion of our troops on a rather risky voyage through a sea filled with pirates and Makedonian fleets. Euboea will not require a major sea invasion, and it lies much closer to the heart of our lands. I would advise we save Krete for when Pella falls.

agreed