Spoiler Guide for Reforms Please

[MerlinusCDXX]

if anyone can point me to the AS Kataphrakt reform requirements (in English, not script code as I am not a modder)...I looked on the FAQ and didn't find anything and am assuming that they aren't still tied to vanilla ref's.


thanx in advance

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

I believe the general's bodyguards change with the vanilla marian reform.

I think you have to lose a battle against Pahlav cataphracts (and have a general in the battle who survives?) to get the Cataphract reform.

[MerlinusCDXX]

thanks

[Hooahguy]

I believe the general's bodyguards change with the vanilla marian reform.

I think you have to lose a battle against Pahlav cataphracts (and have a general in the battle who survives?) to get the Cataphract reform.

but why would you want to lose though?
makes no sense.

[Pode]

but why would you want to lose though?
makes no sense.

Losing is the best (and sometimes only) way for a military to learn that someone else is doing something better than they are. Nothing quite like second place to make you try harder. If your traditional ways still let you win, why mess with them?

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

If you win, that proves that your military is superior and doesn't need to be changed. You won without adopting their style of warfare, why would you adopt an obviously inferior military system.

Though, looking through some stuff, I'm not sure if you actually have to lose. I think it is actually something like: have several different generals fight against cataphracts...

[Digby Tatham Warter]

In the last 2 builds AS can build Kataphracts without any reforms, so what is the need for a reform?

In v1.0 there is a loading screen with a picture of a Bactrian companion Kataphract(nice pic Nate) is this a body guard reform unit or what, because it's not in custom battles?

[CountArach]

That was changed with this release. The need for a reform is historical accuracy, as they could not build Kataphractoi before they started to fight the Parthians.

[overweightninja]

In the last 2 builds AS can build Kataphracts without any reforms, so what is the need for a reform?

The Kataphracts are tied to reforms even in 0.8, you can't build them until the vanilla reforms roll around.

In v1.0 there is a loading screen with a picture of a Bactrian companion Kataphract(nice pic Nate) is this a body guard reform unit or what, because it's not in custom battles?

https://www.europabarbarorum.com/fac...ria_units.html

Do a search for "Hetairoi Kataphraktoi".
I don't believe Baktria have any reforms, although I may be wrong.
Cheers

[BozosLiveHere]

If you win, that proves that your military is superior and doesn't need to be changed. You won without adopting their style of warfare, why would you adopt an obviously inferior military system.

Though, looking through some stuff, I'm not sure if you actually have to lose. I think it is actually something like: have several different generals fight against cataphracts...

No, losing the battle is essential. It has to be a big loss too, with high casualties not only on your army as a whole but with the general's bodyguards as well. On the other hand, you don't have to lose to Parthians specifically, you can lose to Baktrian or Armenian armies as well.

[Hooahguy]

If you win, that proves that your military is superior and doesn't need to be changed. You won without adopting their style of warfare, why would you adopt an obviously inferior military system.

actually, in my AAR, my battle for Nisa made me undergo drastic changes. no more phalanxes, just a lot of Persian Archer Spearmen, HA, and cavalry- even though i won that battle

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

actually, in my AAR, my battle for Nisa made me undergo drastic changes. no more phalanxes, just a lot of Persian Archer Spearmen, HA, and cavalry- even though i won that battle

Was it a Pyrrhic Victory? Because those don't really count.