Eastern crash

[The Devourer]

In the mod im working on, ive suddenly noticd that when i play any of the eastern factions in a custom battle i have a CTD before the battle fully loads. Id say this is clearly a culture related CTD, as all other armies aside from my (heavily modded) parthia, armenia and pontus. I cant quite pinpoint where this problem arose, as i immediately went on to change all the greek factions afterwards, only really now going back to the eastern ones. Does anyone have any idea what i could have changed to induce this culture specific CTD?

[Aradan]

Have you changed the formations at all? Can you play as those factions in campaign mode normally? Can you play campaign battles with them?

[Mad Hoplite]

Hiya Devourer.

Maybe you're missing a model. There are a lot of models that are common for all the three eastern factions.

Are you running R:TW with the -show_err command? If so, what message does it say?

[Charge]

Maybe sound....

(if not only in custom)

[The Devourer]

Ive got -show_err on, and it dousnt say anything when it CTD's
I can play campaign with all races, including the eastern ones, but any battle fought as, or against an eastern faction crashes the game, but battles with no eastern faction work fine.

[Charge]

Hm. you sure you can play ANY battle in campaign (generals/captains)?
Also I guess there are again no backup...

[The Devourer]

Yes, i can play campign battles, as long as no easterners are involved
and there are backups, its just that they are all long before or after this problem would arise.

[Charge]

Yes, i can play campign battles, as long as no easterners are involved

So you can't play any battle in campaign with easterners?

[Mad Hoplite]

It must be something about the models and/or skins.

Not necessarily that you're lacking one of them, because that would leave a show_err message.

Maybe is a typo on a critical place. Check all parthia, pontus, armenia and eastern entries in dmb and edu, and look they're in edue too.

Have you included new troops, or just replaced skins and models for existing soldiers?

Oh, and Charge is right: don't forget to check also your officials and standards (and musicians).

[Mad Hoplite]

From the A modder's guide to CTDs thread:

Battle Loading CTDs:

- A unit with the attribute mercenary_unit in EDU that has no texture line for "merc" in the soldier, officer, and other related models found in DMB.

- A non-mercenary_unit in EDU that has no texture line in DMB for any faction given ownership of the unit in EDU, for the soldier, officer, and other related models.

- A sprite defined in DMB with no distance value.

Sorry for the double post but I still can't edit my posts.

[Charge]

Hey, don't you receive PM?

You should post in HAIL new members thread in E-Hall , I think you aren't promoted coz of this...

[The Devourer]

I havent had a chance to examine what the problem may be yet, but do you know how i can change a factions culture, as its only eastern factions making them a new culture mayalliviate the problem, thanks.

[Mad Hoplite]

Hey Devourer.

Despite the CTD you're experiencing happens only with eastern factions, the reason does not necessarily have to be culture related.

Armenia, Parthia and Pontus share a lot more than culture, like units, maybe formations, etc...

Removing those three factions from a culture may not be the solution and it can involve a lot of work (and a perfect opportunity to get more bugs).

My advice is still to check this thread.

[The Devourer]

err, this is really weird, i tried playing as pontus in campaign and that worked, i then tried a battle in campaign, and that worked fine too. Yet every custom battle i try with pontus or any easterners breaks. Campaign was kinda the point of my mod, but i would still like to get custom working. And ive looked at some of the CTD's and i havent seen one so far, but im not done on them, any ideas what differences between campaign and custom there are that would make one work and the other not, weird eh?

[Charge]

In custom you have captain as general, you still hadn't answered what battles you can play in campaign, with named character, captain or both...

[Squid]

Have you tried to narrow down which unit is the one causing the CTD? Start a custome battle with only one unit on one of the offending factions sides, and a non-problem faction on the other (so say Pontus vs. Gaul or something). Keep restarting the battle with a different unit on Pontus' side until you get the CTD, when you do you know which unit it is.

[Makanyane]

Custom works off the map.rwm that is either in base or the imperial_campaign folder. If you did something to the eastern culture / factions and didn't re-make that .rwm but are using separate folder for campaigns that might make difference.

Custom uses captain instead of general I think to lead army so it could be that - make sure you've tried both captain and general (family member) in your campaign battles to make sure you haven't got a problem with one of them.

You might also be getting different units, the only ones you'll get in campaign are the ones that are recruitable / start on map / or are mercenaries, for custom battles you might have some 'redundant' EDU units that are still available but not properly set up. Try custom battles selecting just one unit, and make sure it's unit you normally get in campaign.

[The Devourer]

I finally fixed it, it was the captain model. I accidently removed him, and when i put it back in before i somehow put another model_tri at the bottom.
I know some guys on this topic said this may be the problem and im thanking you guys, and also im sorry about the time its taken me to sort this out, when i could have worked it out in an evening really, but ive been busy. Anyway, thanks for the help you guys, im off to play pontus