Onin no Jidai

**ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88** · 10-19-2007, 14:05

Originally Posted by Tomisama

The 15th century Onin War was the prelude to the 16th century Sengoku Jidai.

http://www.samurai-archives.com/tow.html

I was thinking that it might be interesting to explore Samurai Warlords fighting recreating this period.

I am thinking all things would be pretty much the same troop and weapon wise, except no firearms.

But I'm no expert.

Anyone interested in playing this format?

Indeed... Sure, I won't mind playing in this format.

**TosaInu** · 10-19-2007, 20:37

Yes Tomisama.

**Jochi Khan** · 10-19-2007, 23:21

It would be an interesting experiment/experience Tomisama.

**CBR** · 10-20-2007, 00:02

But I love guns!

CBR

**Hunter KIng George** · 10-20-2007, 00:41

Sounds like a good idea!

**ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88** · 10-20-2007, 01:06

Originally Posted by CBR

But I love guns!

CBR

Me to

But If you Got the Idea, Then Make it Happen

**Tomisama** · 10-20-2007, 01:28

I love guns too CB

This is just for a few battles and a minor competition, if we find it interesting.

I am trying to do a little more research on this period to reinforce the following. But so far, working from what I hope is good memory, I believe some other limitations might be in order.

For this period, along with no guns, there were also no ashigaru yet. And I believe the naginata was the pole weapon for both infantry and cavalry, with the yari to come a bit later also.

I could be wrong, but am posting what I think is right, to open discussion on what units armies might be composed of.

The proposal right now is for, no Yari, no Teppo, and no special units (Hatamoto, Ninga).

That leaves:

Heavy Cavalry
Naginata Cavalry
Cavalry Archers

Samurai Archers
No Dachi (maybe)
Naginata
Warrior Monks

Was also thinking about a reduction in koku, say down to 7k, but am not sure about this.

Edit : added "maybe"

**Tomisama** · 10-20-2007, 03:10

Correction: Yaris and No Dachi are ok for the period, so just no ashis or guns.

Heavy Cavalry
Yari Cavalry
Naginata Cavalry
Cavalry Archers

Samurai Archers
No Dachi
Yari Samurai
Naginata
Warrior Monks

At 10k or more? Without the lower priced units (200, 300, 400), a little more financial room may be needed.

**ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88** · 10-20-2007, 14:19

Originally Posted by Tomisama

Correction: Yaris and No Dachi are ok for the period, so just no ashis or guns.

Heavy Cavalry
Yari Cavalry
Naginata Cavalry
Cavalry Archers

Samurai Archers
No Dachi
Yari Samurai
Naginata
Warrior Monks

At 10k or more? Without the lower priced units (200, 300, 400), a little more financial room may be needed.

10K, 12.5K or 15K. Any of those prices sound good?

**L'Impresario** · 10-20-2007, 16:08

Sounds interesting but...

Too much money and the game becomes too attritional. Without guns any incentive to buy missiles is significantly reduced; after all, instead of paying 400 koku for a SA you can pay a bit more and get a ND. Of course if it comes down to dislodging an army from a hill, archers will have a role to play, although in a 4v4 the most effective strategy in such a setting would most likely involve no missiles.