Onin no Jidai

[TosaInu]

Hiya Tosa

It is my current understanding that the fighting peasants organized into military “ashigaru” units did not happen until 1485, when the ji-samurai formed the ikki army.
If it is as you say, that the mounted yari were a reaction to the quills (stekelvarken ) of the ashigaru, then should the yari cavalry be included in an Onin War conflict, which ended in 1477?

And indeed, I am thinking that without the gun wall, that the cavalry archer will emerge to fill a more important role in samurai wars also


Anyone have a reaction to 120 man units, pro or con?

Hello Tomisama,

There have always been non samurai in the armies. Ashigaru became more an organised and professional unit during sengoku jidai and samurai became more a free duck.

I'm not sure about (authentically) excluding units, except for teppo. I'm sure that samurai would use whatever is available, but mounted archery is more important. But for a game, anything is fine with me.

[Tomisama]

Hello Tomisama,

There have always been non samurai in the armies. Ashigaru became more an organised and professional unit during sengoku jidai and samurai became more a free duck.

I'm not sure about (authentically) excluding units, except for teppo. I'm sure that samurai would use whatever is available, but mounted archery is more important. But for a game, anything is fine with me.

Well, since simple is always best, lets make Onin Rules just no guns.

Have a game or two and see what develops



I really would like to play with big armies again some time though

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

I hear you guys did a no gun game yesterday. I see if I can come back this Sunday if School Permits. What type of money you guys used? normal 9k for the No Gun or no?

[TosaInu]

Hello {BHC}KingWarman888,

We used 9k in the one no guns game we had yesterday.

Unitsize was huge; though my top sprite eraser was an archer (apart from the HCAV who could chase), the game felt a bit like a brawl (?). Maybe we should give it another go on large or normal.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Large Size Could Work, since I do enjoy playing in Large.

[Puzz3D]

Top killer for each player in the 3v3 battle with 120 man unit size and no guns:

Tosa....HC...192
CBR.....WM...238
Ras.....WM...203
Yuuki...WM...231
Tomi....WM...249
Noir.....CA....162


Samurai Archer performance:

Attackers
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Yuuki....50, 80, 73, 145........Average = 87
Tosa....106, 115, 104, 144....Average = 117
Noir......126, 22, 78.............Average = 75


Defenders
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Tomi.....54, 54, 29, 30.........Average = 42
CBR......80, 64, 57, 149........Average = 87
Ras......131, 66, 113, 62.......Average = 93


Yuuki rushed Tomi, and you can see by the numbers that Tomi's archers had the lowest kills despite the 20% shooting advantage of the defender. I believe this is partly due to the fact that archers overshoot approaching targets, although, Tomi's archers were on lower ground and engaged by melee units fairly quickly which are also factors in their low kills. It doesn't appear to me that archers present much of a deterrent to rushing.

[TosaInu]

Top killer for each player in the 3v3 battle with 120 man unit size and no guns:

Tosa....HC...192

Samurai Archer performance:

Attackers
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Tosa....106, 115, 104, 144....Average = 117

That is correct. Details show that the lsam made more plain kills. The JHC could also make extra kills by chasing.

It doesn't appear to me that archers present much of a deterrent to rushing.

It doesn't seem so.

There may be an explanation for the differences. I had 4 Ni and used them as wall, therefore not really having to bother about them. I ordered the lsam to target monks (time to micromanage them more). Most expensive, most powerful infantry combat unit and least armour => most success.