Which faction is best when encountering mongols

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well, I don’t think that you are talking about just Longbowmen. It is Yeoman Archers at the very least and more likely longbow retainers. You can not run down the routers and a sizeable amount of the enemy escape to fight again. Once your men are out of ammunition they are of questionable value while mine can still stand up to the Mongol units left on the field.

The casualty rates are roughly even between the two styles however, but mine can face them in open field where yours do their best at the fords.

Both work, and work well but mine are also good against the Mongols big brothers with the addition of a couple more Polish Nobles where you need a different mix with cannon that are going to slow your force even more.

I like the English too but you know that the English have to go searching for the Mongols…they come to you if you are on the Russian Steppes…

Not to interject, but I've expanded with England as far as Baghdad (with everything in between conquered, both north and south) by the time the Mongols arrive, so yes, indeed, you don't need to wait for them to come to you if you're a mad, mad, mad (dangerously mad) blitzer like me.

[Bravedude]

I personally love attacking both Mongols and Timurids as the Rus. I'll usually take over all of eastern Russia about to invade Poland and HUngary when the Mongols come. I prepare myself for them by making stacks of all fully upgraded Dvor. I can pretty much wipe out the Mongols armies and use the remaining Dvors to resupply my weakened armies in Hungary and Poland 30 turns and three less competitors.

[Yoyoma1910]

I say the French.

Maybe you disagree, but that's because you have never faced a wheel of French Munster Cheese, the supper secret weapon of the Franks.

No man, nation, nor dog, save those who have spent the entirety of their lives building an immunity to this substance, can come face to face with the overwhelming odor (similar to a well fermented sheep's bottom) much less flavor (more similar to a well fermented sheep's bottom) and survive.

[Cheetah]

I say the French.
No man, nation, nor dog, save those who have spent the entirety of their lives building an immunity to this substance, can come face to face with the overwhelming odor (similar to a well fermented sheep's bottom) much less flavor (more similar to a well fermented sheep's bottom) and survive.

ROFL!

Actually the French can be quite good: aventuriers, pikes, noble knights and horse archers even!!! Good combo.

[imnothere]

yeah, french are actually aint bad in LATE period, even if alot more expensive... - a decent French army against Mongols will easily set you back over 10000 florins even without the upgrades.

Armoured sergeants (not sure about pikemen, i am against pikewall units working under the hot middle-east sun where they can get skin-cancer and catch arrows) in front, Scots Guards (longbow) at the back. and one of the heavily-armoured units - Dismounted French Knights for example, to cover the broken line or to flank. Aventurier(maybe) are ok too. Knights are ok, although i tend to forgo the Noble Knights in favour of Templars and Hospitallers. Strong artillery units - basilisk/Culverin/Serpentine will force the Mongols to close the range with you. Unless supported by other mounted units, I will forgo those expensive Mounted Archers as well.

I thought that the French uses the trebuchets to throw their dirty laundry at the enemies?

[Ramses II CP]

Err, sorry, missed your reply there FK. Longbowmen don't need a ford or even a hill to bleed the Mongols. You can build forts out of your stakes that protect your line of retreat and neutralize the Mongol cavalry completely. Obviously you have more power at range, so you cause casualties much faster than you take them, and since there's no need for a general to collect bad traits you can retreat any time. My single stack army can face any number of Mongol stacks and inflict heavy losses before retreating to do it again.

I'd fight the Mongols on any terrain and take longbows with stakes over any other force every single time. The only way I don't massacre them is if they get the reinforcements bug and won't attack.

...but it's not as much fun as taking a HA heavy force against them, I'll grant you that.

[Fisherking]

@ Ramses II

Any idea what your casualty figures are like when you do that.

I would not take on multiple stacks with mine. When it is time to retreat I often find that they want to exit in some weird place that puts them at risk…

I know longbows have lots going for them…at least Yeoman Archers and better vs. Mongols. I just wish they could take on the elephants.

Mine can stand up to the big Ts also but the casualties are about 30 to 40 % when they do.