lighting

[Bellum]

I know this has been touched on briefly, but I really think the shading aught to be lightened up just a tad. I mean, I like darker shades, too, and at one angle, it's perfect, but at most angles it's so dark, I can't see most of the beautiful details on these units. Sometimes it's hard to tell what's going on in the battle at all.

[Megas Methuselah]

I have to agree with Bellum, they are a little too dark.

Not that I'm completely pissed off about it, I mean, I love this mod... Just don't label me as a whiner, ok? The units are beautiful, everything is beautiful, and even the funny-looking Bovi is beautiful... Yeah... But they are just a tad too dark(don't kill me!)...

[Primus Inter Duces]

"In umbra, igitur, pugnabimus!"

In all seriousness, I agree with the first two posters.

[Megas Methuselah]

We need fear no man. God is with us...

[EdwardL]

I actually prefer the shading. I viewed it with disdain at first, but i've really come to appreciate how if blends the seams of units and tone downs the color schemes a bit, giving it a less cartoonish feel, as well as less of a Baskin Robbins parade.

[Geoffrey S]

If I remember correctly, teammembers said there should be alternate lighting files included in the 1.0 download, due to differences caused by various monitors.

[mighty_rome]

I have to say that I agree too. It's a relatively minor thing, but if someone has time to tweak it a little bit that would be great. I love looking at the awesome units and sometimes it's just too dark for me to see the details. (the battles are what is too dark; the campaign seems fine to me)

Just so the EB team can have a little more information to help decide if they should take any action, I have to say that I have personally viewed EB on more than half a dozen different displays, and it looked a little too dark on all of them. These include a wide variety of displays ranging in size from 17" to 24" made by three different manufacturers. Some of these were a Samsung 940, Samsung 245, as well as various Sony and Viewsonic CRTs. I could also try it on a 46" Samsung LN-T4665, which is an HDTV with a ridiculous contrast ratio, but I haven't done that yet. I imagine it would look much better on here, but I don't think many people would be using something like that for EB.

So, from what I have seen it could stand to be brightened slightly, because it's not just one or two old monitors that are too dark.

I (we) just want to be able to see all the great details on the units a little easier. If you have time to do this, I think it would take EB one step closer to perfection.. :)

[bovi]

even the funny-looking Bovi is beautiful... Yeah... But they are just a tad too dark(don't kill me!)...

Huh ? What does that mean?

[Admetos]

Goth did release other lighting files, the one used in EB was the winner of a public poll IIRC. I'm sure you'll find the others if you do a quick search on the TWC download section.

[Megas Methuselah]

even the funny-looking Bovi is beautiful... Yeah... But they are just a tad too dark(don't kill me!)...

Huh ? What does that mean?

Have you ever looked in a mirror before?

[Bellum]

I actually prefer the shading. I viewed it with disdain at first, but i've really come to appreciate how if blends the seams of units and tone downs the color schemes a bit, giving it a less cartoonish feel, as well as less of a Baskin Robbins parade.

I agree; I just feel it's slightly overdone.

[Lysander13]

Here's the post from Goth47 regarding this matter.....

Originally Posted by Goth47

No Need to worry about the lighting, we have 3 other lighting files available so people can customize the lighting to their own tastes, we merely used the lighting file voted as the most popular as the default.
Here is a link to 4 Lighting files we created at EB ranging from dark(the default) to light.
choose the descr_battle_map_lighting_and_fog_control file you want to choose and paste it into the EB\data folder , you should find one you like

http://hosted.filefront.com/Goth47/

Goth

[mighty_rome]

Awesome, thanks a lot.

[Bellum]

Oh, Thanks.

[bovi]

Have you ever looked in a mirror before?

I still don't understand what you mean, but you just made my ignore list.

[Redmeth]

Have you ever looked in a mirror before?

People really, stop making bad jokes and forcing the issue the internet can't convey tone or lightheartedness so read your posts aloud before posting and if they sound offensive you may want to edit them.

There have been a lot of flamers and trolls around using nonsensical arguments and pissing off people with good intentions trying to help and guys from the team doing their best to explain their choice. You may not have any bad intentions of course but don't push it.

Unless you at least know bovi personally that joke is retarded...

[Goth47]

I actually prefer the shading. I viewed it with disdain at first, but i've really come to appreciate how if blends the seams of units and tone downs the color schemes a bit, giving it a less cartoonish feel, as well as less of a Baskin Robbins parade.

Ahhh a convert .
The Lighting vote we ran earlier this year was a very close run thing, Personally i prefer the darkest lighting file as it looks more moody and like edwardL says it goes towards removing the cartoon feel that the original RTW lighting caused.
Its mostly down to preference at the end of the day, people that prefer visual realism and the effect it has en masse tend to go for the darker looking settings and people that prefer to see the gorgeous individual uniforms prefer the lighter settings. Thats why we created alternative lighting files, we dont want to force anyone to play the game to our tastes alone.
Thanks go to lysander13 for posting the link in this thread, and now that the issue has been raised i will try to get the alternative lighting files included on the download page at EB and the Forums.

edit:-just out of curiosity I would be interested in your comments on the other lighting files , (which one you like best etc), just one tip, try to play a few battles with each file before deciding on your choice, lighting can change from battle to battle.

Thanks
Goth

[The Celtic Viking]

Its mostly down to preference at the end of the day, people that prefer visual realism and the effect it has en masse tend to go for the darker looking settings and people that prefer to see the gorgeous individual uniforms prefer the lighter settings.

Look, I know you don't mean it as an offense, but please refrain from making unnecessary comments such as "people that prefer visual realism (...) go for the darker looking settings". That I prefer a lighter tone than you does not mean that I don't prefer visual realism, it could just as much mean that I don't agree with you what "visual realism" is. For example, before I switched lighting files, my Gaesatae were partly black because of the lighting. Black, I tell you - and that was in the middle of an open field in the jolly light of day, with the grass around them conveying no signs of that shade which appeared to be on my loved ones. I did not find that visually realistic, so I switched to a lighter lighting and my problem was fixed.

Now, if you still disagree with me and think that the darker lighting is more realistic, that's fine with me. But don't tell me that I don't want visual realism just because I choose lighter lighting settings than you.

[Redmeth]

You are vicious... Was that really an affront?... c'mon guys, you tell us to lighten up...

A big part is also your monitor's settings and natural luminosity a good LCD is more luminous (don't go technical these are just observations) and your monitor settings come into play so you could of course pick another of Goth's variants and fine tune it with your monitor's settings. No one is imposing stuff on you.

For the record I too at start thought they were too dark but with some setting modifications and getting more accustomed to the new atmosphere I have to say I am now a firm supporter of his first choice.

[Goth47]

Look, I know you don't mean it as an offense, but please refrain from making unnecessary comments such as "people that prefer visual realism (...) go for the darker looking settings". That I prefer a lighter tone than you does not mean that I don't prefer visual realism, it could just as much mean that I don't agree with you what "visual realism" is. For example, before I switched lighting files, my Gaesatae were partly black because of the lighting. Black, I tell you - and that was in the middle of an open field in the jolly light of day, with the grass around them conveying no signs of that shade which appeared to be on my loved ones. I did not find that visually realistic, so I switched to a lighter lighting and my problem was fixed.

Now, if you still disagree with me and think that the darker lighting is more realistic, that's fine with me. But don't tell me that I don't want visual realism just because I choose lighter lighting settings than you.

Can you be any more polite than i was in my previous post and recieve such an out of context response!

[Lysander13]

Thanks go to lysander13 for posting the link in this thread

No problem good sir...If I could answer or direct people in a direction where they can find answers to their grievances then perhaps that'll be of some small help.Lord knows there seem to be quite a few posters on these forums lately stating their grievances in a not so cordial manner.I for one have nothing to complain about with the current release....well maybe just one small issue.How come the Romans still don't have the Lorica Segmenta?....Hehe...Just kidding.

[The Celtic Viking]

Eh, just forget what I said. I don't know what I was thinking, and I completely regret that I said it now. I apologize for my previous post.

A baloon for goth as a peace offering.

[Goth47]

well i certainly never meant to offend anyone in my original post and i also apologize if i did. Thanks for the balloon vicious monkey and back at ya .

Goth

[blank]

I still don't understand what you mean, but you just made my ignore list.

i think he wants to know you more... intimately

[Quintus Aurelius]

In my opinion the lighting has much improved since 0.8x.

In 0.8x the units were too ... bright. It seemed sometimes they were acting in front of the battle map and not in it. like cartoon figures - dont know other words to describe it-.

But now in 1.0, together with the new skies, the battles are beautiful. (For me to watch them, not for my poor computer soldiers to fight and die there )

[Goth47]

At last a compliment on the skies , Each sky took on average 8 to 10 hours to create(including travelling to get shots) and many skies were abandoned as being of too poor quality, in fact if we had had more time before the release , some of those included may not have made it as skymaking got better towards the end.
There are 11 new skies in EB but the RTW engine mainly concentrates on 6 of the new ones that have been created so the chances are you havent seen them all yet. We are really glad you like them Callistus and thanks for the compliments

Thanks
Goth

[Bootsiuv]

Methusulah you need to learn some tact, guy.

I understand u try to make jokes, but people simply don't understand. It's hard to know on the internet.

You've done that to me before too (the old lady comment coming out of nowhere), and I simply didn't reply.

Remember that people on the internet can't see your facial expressions when your saying these things. I understand they're in jest, but it's simply annoying sometimes.

As for lighting, it's a wee bit too dark for my tastes, but there is other files available so I don't see the point of this thread in the end really.

The OP is asking for something that already exists...there are 4 different lighting files....surely everyone can find one that they enjoy.

Bootsiuv

[Quintus Aurelius]

Each sky took on average 8 to 10 hours to create(including travelling to get shots) and many skies were abandoned as being of too poor quality, in fact if we had had more time before the release , some of those included may not have made it as skymaking got better towards the end.

Again: Excellent work!

There are 11 new skies in EB but the RTW engine mainly concentrates on 6 of the new ones that have been created so the chances are you havent seen them all yet.

I will start another battle immediatly.