Pahlava 220BC and Several Issues ...

[kambiz]

Hello EB team;
Thanks to your efforts for making this awesome mod ,I'm currently playing with Pahlava and it's so exciting and challenging as well. However ,Besides all of these sweeties ,These are some minor issues (Though it's natural) that I decided to report them here for you !

1- Pahlava reformed government I can't get it !
Foremost ,The most annoying thing here in my campaign is that I can't get "Pahlava reformed government" for nearly half of my settlements ! The fact that all of these conquered settlements were former Bakterio-Selucids cities (Which both are hellens) means that I can have Pahlava reformed government in all of them. I'm in 220 BC and except Edessa which has been captured recently ,The rest are in my control for long time. Some of them like Ekbatana and Persspolis even reached the latest city enhancement (Larg city) but still no sign of reformed government building ! I checked the Pahlava Building tree I find out that there are two types of those cities :

I. Cities which don't get "Settled Aristocracy" as Pahlava reformed government requirement. Here is the list of them (West to east):
Edessa ,Karkathiokerta ,Ekbatana ,Gabai ,Persepolis ,Hekatompylos ,Khiva (Though Perhaps this one is nomadic) and Pura

II. Cities which don't get "Reformed Pastoralism" as Pahlava reformed government requirement. Here is the list of them (West to east):
Antiocheia-Margiana ,Marakanda ,Alexandreia-Eschate ,Baktra !!! and Kophen.

2- Can't upgrade to "MIC level 5" !?
I've recently upgraded to MIC level 4 in Babylonia and Arbela ,But strangely there was no sign of "MIC lvl 5" in both settlements? Pahlava late cataphract (Grivpanvar) is recruitable in both cities and it needs MIC5 !

3- Some structures do not produce the things they should !
Well It is a common issue and exist in all mods and it seems cannot be solved entirely ,But still I decided to report it ,Perhaps you're able to fix some of them. Of course these are all Pahlava's buildings :

-Kahes (Sewers) does not have any effects in majority of my settlements (If not all)
-Persag-i Bunag (Larg Nomad Market) and Kalan Wazar (Great Market) ;Both have no effect on trade income ! (i'm not sure if both of them have the issue because they both use the same Icon)
-All of the sea trade building : Perhaps not all as these buildings are so expensive and when they produce nothing ,then it is not logical to pay more than 30,000 mani for them in hope that their higher level would work !
-Badghirs (Wind Towers) which doesn't produce what they should !
-Zurkhaneh (House of Strengh); Again has no effect on public order ,But I'm not sure about Morale effect !

4- Faction Leader title;
It is still Shahrdar ,Not Shahan Shah ! and hey ,It is important ,Isn't?

Here is the savegame :Ashkanian
Please download this file and try it to find out if I'm right or not. Your might experience something different on your PC !

I hope someone from the team will respond to my post and makes me thankful

Regards

[JMRC]

Hello EB team;
Thanks to your efforts for making this awesome mod ,I'm currently playing with Pahlava and it's so exciting and challenging as well. However ,Besides all of these sweeties ,These are some minor issues (Though it's natural) that I decided to report them here for you !

1- Pahlava reformed government I can't get it !
Foremost ,The most annoying thing here in my campaign is that I can't get "Pahlava reformed government" for nearly half of my settlements ! The fact that all of these conquered settlements were former Bakterio-Selucids cities (Which both are hellens) means that I can have Pahlava reformed government in all of them. I'm in 220 BC and except Edessa which has been captured recently ,The rest are in my control for long time. Some of them like Ekbatana and Persspolis even reached the latest city enhancement (Larg city) but still no sign of reformed government building ! I checked the Pahlava Building tree I find out that there are two types of those cities :

I. Cities which don't get "Settled Aristocracy" as Pahlava reformed government requirement. Here is the list of them (West to east):
Edessa ,Karkathiokerta ,Ekbatana ,Gabai ,Persepolis ,Hekatompylos ,Khiva (Though Perhaps this one is nomadic) and Pura

Well, if you look closely at the building tree, you'll notice that Settled Aristocracy is an upgrade of the Pastoralism Herds (Warlord's Horse Herds and higher).

However, none of these Pastoralism Herds can be built if the Reformed Pastoralism is already present. I noticed that the cities you mentioned already have the Reformed Pastoralism, so you will not be able to reach the Settled Aristocracy. The solution is to sell all the Reformed Pastoralism, build the Warlord's Horse Herds and the Settled Aristocracy will be available then. After that, you'll want to build the Reformed Pastoralism again, so that you can build the factional MICs.

II. Cities which don't get "Advanced Pastoralism" as Pahlava reformed government requirement. Here is the list of them (West to east):
Antiocheia-Margiana ,Marakanda ,Alexandreia-Eschate ,Baktra !!! and Kophen.

Unfortunately, I can't look at your savegame right now. However, I wish you to consult the building tree and check whether Advanced Pastoralism has all the required buildings and if there is a building which prevents it from being built.

2- Can't upgrade to "MIC level 5" !?
I've recently upgraded to MIC level 4 in Babylonia and Arbela ,But strangely there was no sign of "MIC lvl 5" in both settlements? Pahlava late cataphract (Grivpanvar) is recruitable in both cities and it needs MIC5 !

3- Some structures do not produce the things they should !
Well It is a common issue and exist in all mods and it seems cannot be solved entirely ,But still I decided to report it ,Perhaps you're able to fix some of them. Of course these are all Pahlava's buildings :

-Kahes (Sewers) does not have any effects in majority of my settlements (If not all)
-Persag-i Bunag (Larg Nomad Market) and Kalan Wazar (Great Market) ;Both have no effect on trade income ! (i'm not sure if both of them have the issue because they both use the same Icon)
-All of the sea trade building : Perhaps not all as these buildings are so expensive and when they produce nothing ,then it is not logical to pay more than 30,000 mani for them in hope that their higher level would work !
-Badghirs (Wind Towers) which doesn't produce what they should !

Like I said before, I cannot look at your savegame right now. I'll ask someone to look at it.

-Zurkhaneh (House of Strengh); Again has no effect on public order ,But I'm not sure about Morale effect !

This building gives Happiness and Unit Experience. No effect on Law or Morale.

4- Faction Leader title;
It is still Shahrdar ,Not Shahan Shah ! and hey ,It is important ,Isn't?

(...)

[kambiz]

Thanks JMRC for answering to my Post

Well, if you look closely at the building tree, you'll notice that Settled Aristocracy is an upgrade of the Pastoralism Herds (Warlord's Horse Herds and higher).

However, none of these Pastoralism Herds can be built if the Reformed Pastoralism is already present. I noticed that the cities you mentioned already have the Reformed Pastoralism, so you will not be able to reach the Settled Aristocracy. The solution is to sell all the Reformed Pastoralism, build the Warlord's Horse Herds and the Settled Aristocracy will be available then. After that, you'll want to build the Reformed Pastoralism again, so that you can build the factional MICs.

You were right in this one For all those settlements with problem Type II (Not getting Settled Aristocracy) It seems they all needed Warlord's Horse Herds. Thanks for guide I

wish you to consult the building tree and check whether Advanced Pastoralism has all the required buildings and if there is a building which prevents it from being built.

After successfully solved the settlements of type I problem ,I went for type II (Those which couldn't get "Reformed Pastoralism"). I was encouraged that these are also is my fault and perhaps I missed to build some structures in order. So I removed all the related buildings in those settlements and began the progress with extreme caution ! I did check the "Pahlava building tree (That PDF file) before making the next building. In Baktira ,I even done the progress for three times and the last time I removed all the buildings to make sure there's no unknown structures there ,But all to no avail I'm not 100% sure (As I was wrong with the "Settled Aristocracy" settlements) but 99% this is something out of my(Players) control ! Please check the new file and see it by yourself.

As the type I problem has solved ,I put the edited 1st post here :

1- Pahlava reformed government I can't get it !
It is not possible to get "Reformed Pastoralism" as Pahlava reformed government requirement in some cities ! Here is the list of them (West to east):
Antiocheia ,Khiva ,Nisa ,Antiocheia-Margiana ,Marakanda ,Alexandreia-Eschate ,Baktra !!! and Kophen.

2- Can't upgrade to "MIC level 5" !?
I've recently upgraded to MIC level 4 in Babylonia and Arbela ,But strangely there was no sign of "MIC lvl 5" in both settlements? Pahlava late cataphract (Grivpanvar) is recruitable in both cities and it needs MIC5 !

3- Some structures do not produce the things they should !
Well It is a common issue and exist in all mods and it seems cannot be solved entirely ,But still I decided to report it ,Perhaps you're able to fix some of them. Of course these are all Pahlava's buildings :

-Kahes (Sewers) does not have any effects in majority of my settlements (If not all)
-Persag-i Bunag (Larg Nomad Market) and Kalan Wazar (Great Market) ;Both have no effect on trade income ! (i'm not sure if both of them have the issue because they both use the same Icon)
-All of the sea trade building : Perhaps not all as these buildings are so expensive and when they produce nothing ,then it is not logical to pay more than 30,000 mani for them in hope that their higher level would work !
-Badghirs (Wind Towers) which doesn't produce what they should !
-Zurkhaneh (House of Strengh); Again has no effect on public order ,But I'm not sure about Morale effect !

4- Faction Leader title;
It is still Shahrdar ,Not Shahan Shah !

I skipped the turns quickly ,As I was testing what you suggested ,So I reached to beyond 200BC. However ,From around 210 BC I found out that those History messages (which appeared at the begining of each four turns) do not come up any more It's too bad as I like them so much ,They were probably one of the best additions in EB1. I hope it would be fixed.

Also a Minor thing , Hellenic mercenary generals unit has no shield value while they carry Shield ! I think their defence skilled should be decreased and instead added to their Shield value.

Here is the latest savegame if any of team members wants observe it : PahlavaTest.sav

Again thank you JMRC for your attention
-Kambiz

[JMRC]

Thanks JMRC for answering to my Post
You were right in this one For all those settlements with problem Type II (Not getting Settled Aristocracy) It seems they all needed Warlord's Horse Herds. Thanks for guide

I'm pleased to help. However, for a couple of weeks I'm unable to make any tests, so I can't check your savegame. I asked for another EB member to help you out, if need be. I'll be on vacation and I'm not sure if I can have Internet access.

I After successfully solved the settlements of type I problem ,I went for type II (Those which couldn't get "Reformed Pastoralism"). I was encouraged that these are also is my fault and perhaps I missed to build some structures in order. So I removed all the related buildings in those settlements and began the progress with extreme caution ! I did check the "Pahlava building tree (That PDF file) before making the next building. In Baktira ,I even done the progress for three times and the last time I removed all the buildings to make sure there's no unknown structures there ,But all to no avail I'm not 100% sure (As I was wrong with the "Settled Aristocracy" settlements) but 99% this is something out of my(Players) control ! Please check the new file and see it by yourself.
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[kambiz]

I'll be on vacation

Great ,Have fun mate and Enjoy yourself

I asked for another EB member to help you out

Thanks I look forward for further EB members post here

Regards

[The Persian Cataphract]

Dear Kambiz,

I received your PM about this issue; What I must point out is that not all provinces can have the Pahlava reformed government. Unfortunately for your own part, this also applies to Baktra, Antiocheia-Margiane Antiocheia, Khiva, Nisa, Marakanda, Alexandreia-Eschate, and Kophen. They were simply not included in the list of reformed provinces; If I must sneak a little inside information, we at the Pahlava groups are planning another possible reform which will encompass provinces close to the reformed areas, allowing for an almost as extensive a building tree as those of reformed provinces. An estimate of all the provinces that are possible to reform extends from Arachosia, Aria, Zranka/Drangiane and Gedrosia to the south and east; Asaak and Zadrakata to the north, and Sophene, Assyrie and Armenia to the west. Along your south-western frontier there is also Babylon and Charax.

The Grivpanvar are additionally a late unit, meaning that you must wait for the Marian reforms to kick in (I do not know if we can change this). It must be appreciated that we cannot introduce this unit early.

As for the rest, I cannot answer, game mechanics is simply not my stuff

Good luck!