The Taxshashilan satrapy-a mod request

[Malik of Sindh]

EB:The East
Me ,Admetos,and most probably Pharnakes are going to make a mod called Europa Barbarorum:The East.This mod will cut everything west of Greece,add a few new factions,extend the mod to india,add atleast 2x more regions in the East.
Faction ideas:
Galatians
Cyrenaica
Mauryans(we can't go without this one)

[Admetos]

This is no easy feat in EB. You would need to change the government system, seeing as Saka is nomadic, change the culture type, change the EDB extensively (which in vanilla might not be that hard, but try changing EB's by hand and it is virtually impossible), and lots of other things which I can't think of at the moment because I really should be asleep. Basically though, you adding a completely new faction, how are the Saka Indian in any way. I know they have the reforms, but they are still the Saka using Indian units, they don't changed culture and what not.

PS. Everything I've written is probably wrong because like I said, I really should be in bed. *looks for sleeping smiley*

[Malik of Sindh]

Oh please don't kill me like this,as you see Im extremely inspired,Im inspired even more than wiith BC.

[Malik of Sindh]

Also,we can use Casse for conversion.We just copy the goverments from say,Seleucids and just rename them.Is changing culture really that hard?
My wasted 50th post...

[KuKulzA]

New Units & Buildings suggestions? they'll need 'indian names'... maybe in Prakrit since Asoka spread that language throughout India right?

Indian Chariot (4 wheeled and big/strong, 4-6 horses and used for charges)
(super) War Elephant (armored but also with swords attached to tusks? a super expensive but much deadlier and less panicky elephant)
Rajput cavalry (regional skirmisher cavalry, the only real good cavalry of the Indians so-to-speak)
Uttarapathians (i heard they made the core of Mauryan army... maybe make them a good all-around soldier but not particularly fine... and make the Guild warriors better shock troops)
Jainism buildings
Buddhism buildings part of a reform

I also heard that archery was a 'noble' art in India at the time? perhaps the Generals can be archer/heavy infantry?

and reform ideas?

Time of Buddhism - 261?
After the Kalinga campaign our great ruler Asoka has seen the traumas or war and bloodshed. Buddhism is now spread, and all lands are encouraged to make monuments, wildlife reserves, hospitals, and pillars that speak of Buddhism and peace. Reforms are made the peace is ensured with wise civil rule.

Death of Asoka - 232
Woe! Our great leader has died! Friend of all castes, or Buddhists, Jainists, and of Hindus! Friend of the farmer and the soldier! Incompetent princes rule after him. But the army is still mainly deployed in the northwest and so we benefit from the presence of the military, as previously disbanded soldiers take up arms again...

Collapse of Mauryan Empire - 184
The great unified empire is gone... but now we are free to contend with the westerners and steppe nomads as we wish. Warring and contact has allowed us to adopt some of their warfare. We now can train better horsemen, and have trained Indo-greeks.




just some thoughts


and i say get rid of Casse for the Mauryans

[Malik of Sindh]

Hmm,KuKulZa do you know some things bout modding?Or any things writen to help people learn to mod?

[KuKulzA]

Hmm,KuKulZa do you know some things bout modding?Or any things writen to help people learn to mod?

if I did I'd be modding in an Indian faction

[Malik of Sindh]

lol now this idea is in my sig.Its also in my sig in the twc forums.So if anyone has any documents on how to mod please pm me.

[Admetos]

Originally Posted by Malik of Sindh
Is changing culture really that hard?

Its not that you would be changing the culture, but for an Indian faction, I guess you'd have to create a new one and IIRC, there's no room for a new one.

[Malik of Sindh]

Hmm,why nod use the same culture Pahlava uses?Lol..Its 2 hours till school..curse this idea,now ill be sleeping in school.

[Admetos]

Originally Posted by Malik of Sindh
curse this idea,now ill be sleeping in school.

Don't feel so ashamed my friend, we all do it.

I don't think you could use the Pahlava culture, I'd think it would use the same culture as the other nomadic factions.

As for learning how to mod, check out the Scriptorium, theres tons of stuff in there.

[Malik of Sindh]

No,Pahlava uses the eastern culture(i think) and Hayasdan surely does.

[Admetos]

That sounds right, although can you compare Eastern to Indian?

[Malik of Sindh]

Err...What you see is what you get.We don't have alternatves right now.Ill start studying at scriptorium tommorow,but im still looking for people to join me in this huge task.

[Admetos]

I'll certainly help you, but like you say, no alternatives about the culture.

[Malik of Sindh]

Im really happy you'll join me.I hope we will get this thing going.Im a pessimist so don't be hard on me,or I might give up.BTW how to change thred tittle?

[Admetos]

I guess it could be possible to use some Indian units from Alexander aswell.

[russia almighty]

....I'd borrow units from the RTR Indian mod . They look better than the Alexander stuff .

[Malik of Sindh]

Too bad I don't have alexander.Thats my last post today,I have to sleep some.This things getting seriuos now.BTW admetos do you have x-fire?

[Admetos]

Yeah, I suggested Alex because I don't really think RTR compares to EB so I've never really played it much, but thats not to say it dosen't improve on vanilla, becasue it does vastly. But I'm going off-topic, I guess we could have a root around and find some cool Indian units anywhere, but I'll have a look at RTR some time.

EDIT: Yes I do have X-Fire - megasadmetos.

Also I have Alex, re-installing it now actually, so no worries there.

[russia almighty]

.... Don't start an RTR vs. EB topic . The Indian mod for RTR isn't supported by RTR for tech support or anything . The dude who did it is(or was , his work could have gone to hell for all I know) an excellent modeller/skinner/whatever . If this mod goes beyond the discussion stage he'd probably jump for joy someone was asking to use his work .

[Admetos]

I didn't even know there was and Indian mod for RTR. Im not trying to start an EB vs RTR, hence the reason I stopped when I did. But lets leave this thread for the mini-mod.

[Malik of Sindh]

First post updated..

[Malik of Sindh]

Yeah, I suggested Alex because I don't really think RTR compares to EB so I've never really played it much, but thats not to say it dosen't improve on vanilla, becasue it does vastly. But I'm going off-topic, I guess we could have a root around and find some cool Indian units anywhere, but I'll have a look at RTR some time.

EDIT: Yes I do have X-Fire - megasadmetos.

Also I have Alex, re-installing it now actually, so no worries there.

Yes,I think ill download RTR soon too,to review what they done in theyr mod about indians.

[Admetos]

Malik, here's a link to the Indian Mod.

[Malik of Sindh]

I really like Elephants as bodyguards for generals,but we'll need too fix elephant hitpoints,as theyre only 2 now.I think we need to make indian levy archer and spearmen exetremely cheap for Indians so they can spam them,like they historicaly did(im pretty sure).Also,I think the names will be a problem since I know nothing of them.I already sent a pm to kukulza bout that,I hope he'll help us.

[KuKulzA]

RTR Mauryan Empire:
It seems to me they over-did the elephants but that might be just me... and the chariots aren't exactly right, but it looks good overall...
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I'd say that the Indian faction should have these qualities:

• very effective administration in terms of keeping the peace
• ability to spam huge armies compared to Western counterparts
• focus on strong elephant, heavy chariots, archery, and professional soldiers, with weak infantry and cavalry

time periods/reforms being...

Expansion of Asoka
Spread of Buddhism - 261?
Death of Asoka - 232
Collapse of Mauryan Empire - 184

And to be historically accurate this faction would control Taksashila, Opiana, and Patala. The faction shouldn't be called Mauryan Empire since its only a fraction of it, a northwestern border... but perhaps it can be called a Prakrit name for the region?


if there's to be an Indian faction mod to be made, I want it to be up to EB standards or I doubt I'd play it. If done right, this could be very good...


EDIT:
as for the general bodyguard... there's pictures of noble-looking leaders as archers, as horsemen, as fierce infantry, and on elephants... and probably on chariots too... now what should we go with?
I'd say archer or elephant... but i think it'll probably end up being elephant...
but if there's enough evidence for Mauryan general liking to be guarded by elite archer groups, that would make for an interesting general bodyguard....

[Admetos]

Of course it will be up to EB standards, we might need a little help as it's a lot of work for two people, but we'll definetly get there.

[Malik of Sindh]

Im thinking of making only a satrapy of Mauryan empire,so it will only hold the Taxshashila region.By the way,you seem to know alot bout Mauryans.Can you help us with names?

[Admetos]

What other alternatives are there for an Indian faction though, as the Mauryan empire goes a long way off the map?