The Taxshashilan satrapy-a mod request

**Admetos** · 10-22-2007, 05:04

What other alternatives are there for an Indian faction though, as the Mauryan empire goes a long way off the map?

**Spoofa** · 10-22-2007, 05:09

none? The Mauryan's pretty much controlled India until their collapse.

**Admetos** · 10-22-2007, 05:13

Thats the problem, it's hard to represent India without the Mauryans, and its hard to represent them as they go so far off the map.

**KuKulzA** · 10-22-2007, 05:25

I don't know much about the Mauryans... and all the Indians i am friends with aren't much into history...
but if someone can find a person who speaks or knows a lot about Prakrit... that could be a start...

and finding out the name (in Asoka's language) of the land we're in would be helpful, that could be the name of the faction...

just a thought, I can see a strong steppe faction and a strong Successor faction being tough for Indians... considering steppe horse archers and super phalangites are two things that can counter the Indians' anti-masses (chariots, elephants, archers, pro troops) and masses (infantry).....
though of course a clever Indian general could use infantry to engage phalanxes and use chariots/elephants/heavy-troops to flank them... and use elephants and archers to deter horse-archers...

this could be good... I'll try to help, but like I said before, I don't know too much and I am trying to learn more as we speak...

EDIT:
the Pali language can be said to be Prakrit... and it was the language of the Buddha... and Asoka DID go Buddhist... perhaps we should look into Pali? there's a revival of Pali studies... and while Indian and SE Asian sources might not be too helpful to us... there's some Pali translation group in the UK we could look for if we need 'authentic' names and such...
but i wonder what language is used in EB right now... what is the Indian language for the troops and buildings' names?

**Malik of Sindh** · 10-22-2007, 05:28

The Indian power will be spammage of levies,they'll be able to field way larger armies than anyone else in EB,but they'r units are going to be very low quality.Theres some elites too,though.By the way,there will be scripts that spawn them a few stacks if anyone attacs them.

**KuKulzA** · 10-22-2007, 05:41

Originally Posted by Malik of Sindh

The Indian power will be spammage of levies,they'll be able to field way larger armies than anyone else in EB,but they'r units are going to be very low quality.Theres some elites too,though.

Yeah, but we can't skimp on elites... the elites in Indian armies were just that... very good professional soldiery.. often archers, swordsmen, elephants, chariots... in a sea of mass infantry...

I suggest for organization sake we split it into this:
General
Archer or Elephant or what?
Infantry

spearmen*
swordsmen - like the spearmen except without swords
Guild warriors**
longbowmen*
noble bowmen - represents nobles ?

Cavalry

poor skirmisher cavalry - light, and terrible cavalry
war elephant*
armored war elephant*
"super" war elephant***
indian-style chariot - 4 horsed, 4 wheeled, heavy charging chariot

*already present in-game
** I think the Guild warriors should be made a little more powerful so they can be more of an elite shock troop role
*** This is an elephant with the best troops in the howdah, and least likely to run amok, and has armor and swords attached to its tusks...

anyone know anything about Indian naval capacities?

Originally Posted by Malik of Sindh

By the way,there will be scripts that spawn them a few stacks if anyone attacs them.

Reinforcements from the rest of the Empire i assume?

I think that if we go by my idea of time periods... (like the Celtic or Roman ones)
Expansion of Asoka
Spread of Buddhism - 261?
Death of Asoka - 232
Collapse of Mauryan Empire - 184
then the scripted reinforcements would be much less after the Death of Asoka (due to weak successors) and cease entirely after Collapse of the Mauryan Empire

**Malik of Sindh** · 10-22-2007, 12:15

General will be an even stronger version of Elephanthes Kathapraktoi Indikoi i guess,something similar to that super elephant.The chariot thing would be too hard to make,so i think we will borrow one of the existing ones and reskin it.We will add some power to it too.I really like your idea about the reinforcements.Ill go study in Scriptorium now.BTW the indian elites are going to be a bit weaker then any other factions elites,so they would not be overpowered.

**Bootsiuv** · 10-22-2007, 17:56

I've been reading this thread with interest. It's a cool idea, albeit fairly difficult.

Ya know Malik of Sindh, if you use the export_descr_units from our SSbQ mini-mod by Spoofa, it fixes the elephants hp issue, and it also raises a few other units armor ever so slightly. We'll just say that Kataphraktoi will be very hard to bring down without AP, which is good IMO.

I don't think Spoofa would mind if you guys used that as a base....just throwing it out there.

Rise of Persia is also another mod you might consider looking at, as they have an Indian faction.

If you asked they might let you use some units.

I'll be watching this, and hope you guys can bring it to fruition. It would be better if it came with an install.exe, so it could be easily uninstalled if the player wanted the Casse back (if such a thing is even possible).

Bootsiuv

**Admetos** · 10-22-2007, 18:03

Some good ideas Bootsiuv.

I've actually got RoP downloaded so I'll have a look at that a bit later.

As for installation, it could be possible to use batch files, although I'm far from an expert on this.