Voulgiers, Guard Mode and Spearwall - how to use it?

[TevashSzat]

Thats why muskets + pikes were such a good combo in armies then. The pikemen served as a wall so the musketeers could fire freely and then retreat behind the spearwall should anyone try to charge them. Get enough pikemen to have a half decent wall and then have like 1/3 to 1/2 of your army be top notch archers and you'll see why

[TheLastPrivate]

For voulgier speed problems you can turn off spearwall and they'll run/walk like any other infantry (not as fast as natives but fast enough)

However you gotta be careful as this may compromise unit cohesion.

[Rhedd]

For voulgier speed problems you can turn off spearwall and they'll run/walk like any other infantry (not as fast as natives but fast enough)

However you gotta be careful as this may compromise unit cohesion.

Er, no they don't.

With guard and shield wall off, they do run at a normal pace (after a huuuge pause, to get into "running mode"), but they still walk at about half the pace of standard infantry, such as spearmen.

I just can't deal with this, since it means that you can't march an army in formation without your halberdiers/voulgiers being left way behind, leaving weaknesses in your line.

That and I can't deal with it simply because it makes no sense. Do halberds come with free, complimentary lead underwear, or something? ^_^

Just forget about them being able to react to a need to change frontage.

It's a shame, because I really love polearms.

[WhiskeyGhost]

Er, no they don't.

With guard and shield wall off, they do run at a normal pace (after a huuuge pause, to get into "running mode"), but they still walk at about half the pace of standard infantry, such as spearmen.

I just can't deal with this, since it means that you can't march an army in formation without your halberdiers/voulgiers being left way behind, leaving weaknesses in your line.

That and I can't deal with it simply because it makes no sense. Do halberds come with free, complimentary lead underwear, or something? ^_^

Just forget about them being able to react to a need to change frontage.

It's a shame, because I really love polearms.

i'm just gonna assume that carrying a giant 2 handed weapon should weigh a bit, and make it hard to run. I've tried running with a Billhook, before, and it wasn't even remotely pleasant

[Rhedd]

Hopefully, though, walking with one wouldn't give you too much trouble. ^_^

Funny thing is, in the game they run fine. It's walking they have the problem with.

[WhiskeyGhost]

Hopefully, though, walking with one wouldn't give you too much trouble. ^_^

Funny thing is, in the game they run fine. It's walking they have the problem with.

yeah, but you gotta realize, if your carrying something large and bulky over a long distance, your gonna need to pace yourself properly, otherwise your useless if you were marching too fast or too far while overloaded. You could walk fast, sure, but you'd tire out before reaching your destination (in the same way running does, only it would take longer). The problem with the game mechanics is theres only a walk/run option, and not a forced march kind of option where they slowly lose stamina but don't move like snails

[Rhedd]

I'm starting to feel argumentative, but I suppose this "pacing yourself" thing doesn't apply to men in mail hauberks, carrying kite shields and six feet of spear, or men in full plate marching along with two-handed swords over their shoulders?

How about soldiers carrying those very billhooks you mentioned? They walk at a perfectly average speed.

Any way you look at it, singling out halberdiers and voulgiers as exceptionally slow-moving units is devoid of logic.