My reich for a multiculture

[Fragony]

This is the story right?

http://www.westfaelische-rundschau.d...=WR&dbserver=1

Sorry, couldn´t find an English article.


To clarify this a bit: The purpose of the imams is to strenghten the moral authority of the police.

Yeah that is the problem, they shouldn't need to, and they sure as hell shoudn't be it because that way we could as well privatise protection. Goverment has no claim to authority if their most primal reasons to exist are handled by third party's who can have other interests, it legitimity ceases to be.

[Boyar Son]

whats godwins law?

and besides, what with a number of muslims being extremists
(large ## ?, i guess according to europeans fearing them like nukes)
if you piss them off they're gonna suicide bomb you!!

[Ice]

whats godwins law?

and besides, what with a number of muslims being extremists
(large ## ?, i guess according to europeans fearing them like nukes)
if you piss them off they're gonna suicide bomb you!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

"As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one. ”

—Mike Godwin <godwin@eff.org>

[Papewaio]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

"As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one. ”

—Mike Godwin <godwin@eff.org>

I've just realised that Godwin's law doesn't really explain anything. If a thread went to infinity it would have every kind of conversation in it. So as a thread grows the probability of any statement being made approaches one.

ie
"As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Rome approaches one. ”

"As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Spongebob Squarepants approaches one. ”

"As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Octosquids approaches one. ”

[Ice]

I've just realised that Godwin's law doesn't really explain anything. If a thread went to infinity it would have every kind of conversation in it. So as a thread grows the probability of any statement being made approaches one.

ie
"As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Rome approaches one. ”

"As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Spongebob Squarepants approaches one. ”

"As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Octosquids approaches one. ”

Indeed.

Reminds me of a calculus or statistics theorem.

[Banquo's Ghost]

I've just realised that Godwin's law doesn't really explain anything. If a thread went to infinity it would have every kind of conversation in it. So as a thread grows the probability of any statement being made approaches one.

ie
"As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Rome approaches one. ”

"As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Spongebob Squarepants approaches one. ”

"As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Octosquids approaches one. ”

Surely though, a thread can reach infinity while discussing just a single issue? You've read enough gun control threads to have that proven.

[Fragony]

Why would they attack us they aren't nuts, screw terrorism they don't need it they have multicultists. Just a mild threat to a days comfort is enough to get an audiance with the pope. The multiculture has to work most of all no matter what, truly pious they are.

[Husar]

Fragony, what's your problem here?

Sure it sounds weird, but the old lady who was robbed every week and isn't being robbed anymore will probably appreciate it. And once they have learned to obey police it may not even be necessary anymore. Maybe it doesn't fit your perfect definition of how things should be but then where are all things perfect?
This is an attempt to improve police work, how can you say that's bad after your endless cries that police were ineffective? Should they just beat the young kids instead of talking to them? Yes, that might generate some form of respect, they'd stay far a way when they started throwing the first rocks.

[Geoffrey S]

If it works I'm happy. The whole point is getting muslim religious authority to (finally) back Western values and law more emphatically, and this seems like a good step in that direction to me. Getting the clerics on the side of whichever nation they're in is essential in preventing radicalism and showing that yes, they are a part of Western culture and need to adjust.

[IrishArmenian]

If it works I'm happy. The whole point is getting muslim religious authority to (finally) back Western values and law more emphatically, and this seems like a good step in that direction to me. Getting the clerics on the side of whichever nation they're in is essential in preventing radicalism and showing that yes, they are a part of Western culture and need to adjust.

I agree, but with one reservation.
The point is to get the wayward extremists to see that Western culture has laws that don't conflict with Islamic law.

[Geoffrey S]

I agree, but with one reservation.
The point is to get the wayward extremists to see that Western culture has laws that don't conflict with Islamic law.

Not even necessarily extremists, but definitely alienated youths who assert their muslim heritage in opposition to a perceived hostile Western culture. I'm not convinced extremists can be reached and that anything except strong measures work against them, but at least reaching that stage can (and should) be prevented. Western nations have offered plenty of chances, now it's time for community leaders to show that it is not against Islam to accept those chances and offer something in return.

[Fragony]

If it works I'm happy. The whole point is getting muslim religious authority to (finally) back Western values and law more emphatically, and this seems like a good step in that direction to me. Getting the clerics on the side of whichever nation they're in is essential in preventing radicalism and showing that yes, they are a part of Western culture and need to adjust.

It's insane, the law is the law if they don't respect and don't recognise the authority as such something is very very wrong and you have to show musscle not hide behind imam so they don't throw stones. Maybe it will work and but is next? There will be something next because this is a downward spriral, state can't outsource it's responsibilities to religious groups we have seperation of church and state. We have to respect the law because the imam says so? How can we tolerate that? They have to respect the law because it is the law. They should bend to us not the other way around we will keep bending one insanity at the time.

[HoreTore]

Uhm.... When did we europeans become law-abiding citizens with the utmost respect for the police...?

[Geoffrey S]

It's insane, the law is the law if they don't respect and don't recognise the authority as such something is very very wrong and you have to show musscle not hide behind imam so they don't throw stones. Maybe it will work and but is next? There will be something next because this is a downward spriral, state can't outsource it's responsibilities to religious groups we have seperation of church and state. We have to respect the law because the imam says so? How can we tolerate that? They have to respect the law because it is the law. They should bend to us not the other way around we will keep bending one insanity at the time.

It is insane. Large portions of the population have closer ties to their religious authority, the imams, than to the state they're living in. That's damaging and has been shown to be so; using imams in this way to tie them to the state is a step in the direction of placing authority over these youths where currently there is far too little.

You say this implicates that the imams are above the law? I see it more as implicating that even the imams are subject to the law and showing that using faith as any kind of excuse is not tolerated; that faith and Western law certainly aren't mutually exclusive, which is what seems to be common sentiment right now.

And if it doesn't work? It shows clearly to all parties that such youths respect neither law nor faith, and may finally lead to the (majority) law-abiding muslim community to finally realise that they have no reason to tolerate such behaviour.