Asia ton Barbaron disscusion thread

[Malik of Sindh]

Minor map update in the first post.Indo-greeks removed.

[Admetos]

We're not including the Getai as we're completely scrapping the barbarian culture and trying to include as least western factions as possible, thus increasing our focus on the east (after all, that is the intention of the mod).

[Vorian]

It could create problems though, since the Maks would unrealistically go north since there will be only rebels there to oppose them. Well I guess you guys will figure it out.

And I suppose I will quit from the KH case


Anyway I am really looking forward to this

[Malik of Sindh]

Ther will be three provinces which will work in the same way as Sahara province.One in Himalayas,second in the Steppes,third in south africa.So,no Maks in the steppes.


A little map by Pharnakes.The provinces are hard to see,but they are visible.

[Vorian]

Ther will be three provinces which will work in the same way as Sahara province.One in Himalayas,second in the Steppes,third in south africa.So,no Maks in the steppes.


A little map by Pharnakes.The provinces are hard to see,but they are visible.

Good to know.
You should really think about the unrest thing in south Greece btw.

[Malik of Sindh]

Of course,we will think of something to make southern Greece harder to hold.

[Athkara]

Hi, I saw the thread for this mod in the twc forums and noticed you're including the Yuehzi (Yuezhi in modern Pinyin). I mainly study Chinese history, and there are several Chinese historical texts which discuss the Yuezhi; if you want a historian for the Yuezhi I'd be happy to do research on them. After all, now that I'm in college I have more free time than I know what to do with.

From what I can remember, the chinese souces on the Yuezhi come from a series of embassorial missions that Han Wudi sent west around 130 BC that reached as far as the coast of Syria. Anyways, about the Yuezhi, Han Wudi attempted to form an alliance with them against the Xiongnu; but discovered that most of the Yuezhi had fled west and conqured Baktria after the Shan-yu of the Xiongnu killed their king and made a cup out of his skull. Here the Yuezhi who fled west are called the DaYuezhi (big Yuezhi) and the ones who stayed behind, the XiaoYuezhi (small Yuezhi).

I'd also be happy to help out for Wusun.

[Malik of Sindh]

Thank you,your welcome to join.

[Athkara]

Another point about the Yuezhi, since the map will include the Tarim basin, I don't think it's necessary for the Yuezhi to be an emergent faction. Before the Yuezhi were displaced by the Xiongnu, the Tarim basin was their homeland:

According to Wiki:
"The first known reference to the Yuezhi was made in 645 BC by the Chinese Guan Zhong in his Guanzi 管子(Guanzi Essays: 73: 78: 80: 81). The dates of this book are disputed however, and it may date to as late as 1st century BCE.[8] The book described the Yuzhi 禺氏, or Niuzhi 牛氏, as a people from the north-west who supplied jade to the Chinese from the nearby mountains of Yuzhi 禺氏 at Gansu."

This would place the Yuezhi around the eastern edge of the Tarim basin and the Gansu corridor. This claim makes sense since the later Chinese records state that the XiaoYuezhi, who didn't flee west after being defeated by the Xiongnu, mostly fled south to the Qiang tribes -- who were located essentially directly south of the Gansu corridor.

Thus I think it would be fair to give the Yuezhi a starting territory on the eastern edge of the map right about where you have the Wusun extending into the Tarim basin.

I suppose we could include a script to simulate their later flight west and conquest of Baktria...

Also on the subject, according to Wiki:

"As they settled in Bactria from around 125 BCE, the Yuezhi became Hellenized to some degree, as suggested by their adoption of the Greek alphabet and by some remaining coins, minted in the style of the Greco-Bactrian kings, with the text in Greek."

I guess this could be used as the basis for possible reforms for the Yuezhi after they conqure Baktria; enableing them to build some Greco styled buildins and mabye units.

I'll try to find some more substantive sources later.

[Ossie The Great]

Wow, the map is starting to look very nice indeed.
Whenever u need my help just pm me

[Malik of Sindh]

We will probably start in a week.Ill pm you when we start.

[Malik of Sindh]

Nabateia added to the list of factions.

[Constantine the Great]

I have access to a very large library of history books that covers just about everything, so I could probably help it as a researcher if you need me.

[Horst Nordfink]

Is there a reasonable ETA for this? And will you be able to play EB and AtB on the same computer?

[Tellos Athenaios]

For the first: I don't know, am not a team member, but given the apparent workload they've choosen... if they wish to keep up EB style & depth it might very well take them a very, very long time. Of course I don't quite know what they have got in store for us...
For the second: yes, probably, yes.

[Admetos]

We've got absolutely no idea when we'll release, we haven't started anything yet, but that'll change soon.

Yeah, you should be able to play EB and AtB on the same computer, it hasn't been discussed but I guess we'll use a mod folder like EB does at the moment.

[TWFanatic]

Wow, the map is starting to look very nice indeed.
Whenever u need my help just pm me

Same here. I'm sorry there isn't more I can help you guys with now, but if I can do anything let me know.

[Pharnakes]

Is there a reasonable ETA for this? And will you be able to play EB and AtB on the same computer?

Doubt it

And of course you will be able to play it on the same computer!

Wether or not you will be able to play it out of the same vannila folder, well its far to early to say, but you should be able to.

Everyone else: Thank you all, we'll be sure to give you an unreasonably high workload very soon.

[TWFanatic]

Well thanks for quelling my worries on that issue.

[Malik of Sindh]

Today Pharnakes got his new comp,and we should be starting next week.

Some more news,Yuehzi playable.

[Malik of Sindh]

Major map update,in the first post.

[CaesarAugustus]

A small request: please don't make Cyrene white, it will be confused with Carthage.

[Malik of Sindh]

A small request: please don't make Cyrene white, it will be confused with Carthage.

Carthage isn't even on the map,how could anyone confuse it with Cyrene?

[CaesarAugustus]

Maybe I'm just being picky, but it looks like Cyrene is just a fragment of the Carthaginian empire, especially since most of the people playing it will be coming straght from EB.

[Wolfman]

Cyrene=Greek Colony. Carthage=Phoenician colony. To Seperate cultures. i don't think people will think about it to much.

[Moosemanmoo]

It's great to see the east getting it's fair share of attention

Although I'd prefer to see this huge geographic boost in EB, y'know with western and northern europe and africa, but hell I want the world

kudos and good luck

[Admetos]

Thanks for the support Moosemanmoo.

[Son of Perun]

As AtB team decided not to add the last faction until the first beta, I would have a little request for the team members. I'm thinking of a minimod for AtB that would add Nubia as a faction(as the whole AtB team said in factions thread that it won't be in). I guess I would be able to make such mod myself or maybe with help of a few people. The thing is that I would need at least 3-4 more cities in that area, preferably Kerma, Napata and Aswan(Swenet), to make Nubia a playable faction. Otherwise it would be too weak and immediately destroyed by the Ptolemies. Of course I don't know whether you have enough provinces to spare, but it would be very kind and appreciated by all Nubia fans if you add them.

[Athkara]

Well, I'm doing some work outlining provences, and I've estimated that we'll have enough free slots to add about 5 more cities to most all the areas already depictied on the EB map and still have more than enough for the new areas. So I don't see a problem with adding those cities.

[gamegeek2]

I'd be glad to help stats, etc. Just to lift some work off ur back. I can do my own research but would like to get some supplied, too...

I could also research, but I'm limited to the Web and libraries for the most part...