Asia ton Barbaron disscusion thread

[KuKulzA]

Yeah, barbarians are right out. Dunno why we call it Asia ton Barbaron, really.

I don't get it either... let's rename it...

[Admetos]

I like the name, I feel it keeps a link with EB.

[Pharnakes]

TBH, so do I, I wasn't really serious about renaming it, but if you have any suggestions, KuKulzA...

[Malik of Sindh]

Damn I had connection problems yesterday.Im the I-answer-all-the-questions guy,not you!

[Pharnakes]

Look, just cause I have 4.5 times as many posts as you do, there is no need to get jealous...

[Charge]

Why, Pharnakes, you cant start doing map now?

[Pharnakes]

Look, if I even thought about downloading an eb instaler on this comp, let alone instaling anything, it would explode. In other words no.

[artavazd]

I was looking at the factions, and I noticed you guys have Satrapy of Hay. First of all it should be Satrapy of Hayasdan, because Satrapy of Hay/Hai translates to (Satrapyt of Armenian) it makes no sense. If it takes place in the same timeframe as EB, than Armenia was not a satrapy, and should be called Kingdom of Armenia, Kingdom of Hayasdan or in Armenian, Hayoc/Haioc Arkahutsiun.

[The Persian Cataphract]

Yeah, I noticed too; If specifics are requested, this the Orontid (Yervanduni) dynasty of Armenia, but one may leave this specific piece out and just make it kingdom of Armenia.

[keravnos]

Yeah, barbarians are right out. Dunno why we call it Asia ton Barbaron, really.

Oh, you are VERY right. For the mods' timeline, Greeks were considered barbarians for both the old Achaimenid aristocracy in places where it remained (Atropatene, Hayasdan, Pontos) as well as for the Indians, when the Maurya empire collapsed.

In some puranic text Yavanas, in some texts they are synonym with "mlecchas"=barbarians, and the word can be used for murder, abortion, pillage etc.
(Not to mention the Saka, Yuehzi et al.)

Don't you worry about changing AtB's name. Who you considered Civilised and Barbarians aren't what you thought. It is all in the eye of the beholder, who one writes about. For example the texts about the Yavanas were written mostly by Hindu Brahmin, who were dead against them from the time of Alexander the Great, till the time of Chadragupta II of the Guptas who is said to have "cleared off" all "outider" nations in India.

Some truths remain, aka, a people responsible for such architectural, sociological, and politeiological marvels, as ancient greeks, cannot be Barbarians. I do believe that. Still, for an Indian whose life was destroyed by rampaging Baktrian horsemen, or temple of worship or family, can't be very sympathetic now, can he?

[CaesarAugustus]

Yeah, barbarians are right out. Dunno why we call it Asia ton Barbaron, really.

Let's not forget EB's motto, Quisque est barbarus alio.

Are you guys still going to post previews and new infos on these threads, or should I look to your new forums for all future developments?

[Pharnakes]

We will try to keep this updated, but look in the forums if you want detailed info on how we are proceding.

[TWFanatic]

I see you've changed the forums up a bit. I like the new look. Maybe Admetos could create a banner sometime in the future.

[Malik of Sindh]

Were thinking of making Mauryans speak Sanskrit and have Parkrit names.This is done because of this:
1.Sanskrit is easier to find than Pali or Parkrit
2.Im a lithuanian,sanskrit comes from the same branch as baltic.Pali/Parkrit don't.I could help with some words.

Say what do you think of this.

[CaesarAugustus]

Personally I don't like that idea at all, but then again it doesn seem like a lot of work to translate, especially into Parkrit, so it is understandable why you would want to make it easier on yourselves. I can only suggest that you use Sanskrit for the Mauryans or even just sub in some other language (greek for example), since half the people playing this mod aren't going to understand the languages anyway. Then, in (the very distant) future builds, you can find youselves a linguist who can do Parkrit or Pali translations for you. I remember when this was the case for a lot of EB factions (didn't 0.8x Carhage speak Greek?). People will understand if you don't have every historicall accurate feature in the first release. Rome wasn't built in a day, neither was EB, and AtB doesn't have to be either.

[Leão magno]

This thread is on fire, seems that we will have a great mod here!!! Just hoped I knew enough to make a Punic version of EB, it would be great!

[Malik of Sindh]

Personally I don't like that idea at all, but then again it doesn seem like a lot of work to translate, especially into Parkrit, so it is understandable why you would want to make it easier on yourselves. I can only suggest that you use Sanskrit for the Mauryans or even just sub in some other language (greek for example), since half the people playing this mod aren't going to understand the languages anyway. Then, in (the very distant) future builds, you can find youselves a linguist who can do Parkrit or Pali translations for you. I remember when this was the case for a lot of EB factions (didn't 0.8x Carhage speak Greek?). People will understand if you don't have every historicall accurate feature in the first release. Rome wasn't built in a day, neither was EB, and AtB doesn't have to be either.

You sound like you want the mod to be released incomplete.I don't care how much it will take to translate languages or whatever,I want this mods beta to be good.I don't know what Pharnakes,Admetos or TWFanatic thinks though,maybe we will agree to your idea.
Or maybe my bad english made me think you sounded like this

[Admetos]

I'm not sure about the languages, I guess it's something we'll have to discuss, but I can assure you, the mod will not be released half done, even in a beta form, like we've always said, it's going to be EB quality.

[bovi]

Actually EB was released way before it was done. 0.7.2 wasn't exactly a polished piece.

[Admetos]

My mistake, the first version I played was 0.81 I think.

[CaesarAugustus]

You sound like you want the mod to be released incomplete.

Well, of course I would like it if the mod was released complete, I was just trying to be realisitc. I dont think any great total conversion mod has been released complete on the first version. Of course, feel free to release the mod as polished and feature-filled as you want (the more the better ), but people will understand if you do not have everything down to the last language in... EB didn't. Besides, it is a good thing to release betas; people playing can report bugs, etc.

Nice to see how ambitious and serious you guys are about this though, hmmm... maybe you should post the release date right now

On a related note, what do you have planned for music?

[Malik of Sindh]

Just look at how polished and complete BC will be.We haven't disscused the music yet.The release date is:Its done when its done.

[CaesarAugustus]

I'm sorry but what is BC?

[Malik of Sindh]

Its Brocen cresent.Now say happy birthday to me or we will not realese the mod.

[Admetos]

Release date!?!?!




(Actually the estimated release date is 31th April 2008.)

[CaesarAugustus]

Its Brocen cresent.Now say happy birthday to me or we will not realese the mod.

Happy Birthday Malik!

That soon Admetos?

[Pharnakes]

Yup, guaranteed.

[bovi]

CaesarAugustus, that's really really late april. I mean, impossibly late april.

[Pharnakes]

Bovii!


We were having fun...

Edit: I've lost count how many times you eb people have done that to us poor fans...

[CaesarAugustus]

At the rate this mod seems to be developing I wouldn't be surprised to see the first release by late spring.... am I wrong?