Asia ton Barbaron disscusion thread

[Malik of Sindh]

Very well. We are proceeding much faster now.

[Pinkkiller]

that's good

[Pinkkiller]

...any new preview soon?

[Malik of Sindh]

Maybe

[Malik of Sindh]

Hey all AtB fans. We have another little unit preview. Chariots and elephants.



Yuddha Rathah(Imperial War Chariots)

Rathah or a Chariot is an important part of Mauryan or any Indian army, considered next only to the Gajah or Elephants. After the Elephants the Chariots formed the major role in any Indian army. Any battle depended on the Elephants and Chariots. The Chariots of India were totally different from the Greek or Persian once. The Indian chariots were heavy onces built using tough quality wood and coated over the wood are metal sheets and are highly decorated, making them Heavy. Chariots such as these are pulled by 4 or evem more horses and carry 4-6 men crew. The 4 horses themselves are lightly armored. The crew shoot out arrows using their longbows perfectly even when the chariot is moving at high speeds. The chariot is also faster compared to others because of being pulled by 4 horses.

Historically Chariots such as these existed prominantly in India and dates back even to the Iron age. Mentions of these chariots are discribed even in the greatest Epic of Mahabarata. Though there is not enough proof of their existence in the Vedic period. Yet there are mentions of these chariots in the Ajanta caves and edicts of Arthashaasthra. Mauryans and other great kingdoms of India used chariots such as these extremely well. And the use of these chariots in the 3rd century BC are clearly stated in Pulavar Magan - A Story of a Poet turned Warrior of the Pandyan Kingdom, in which mentions about the chariots of this time period, Their perfomance in war are stated as a poem. These Chariots were ultimate machines of Indian War-Craft.

Yuddha Gajah (Imperial War Elephants)

Elephants were an Integral part of any army of the Mauryans and other Indian Kingdoms and Tribes. The Yuddha Gajah are war elephants trained and maintained by the Ksatriyan families of the Empire. These elephants are better trained than the elephants of the tribes for large scale wars, hence don't run amok easily. Elephants are mounted with a tower at their backs. The tower carries 2-3 archers. The Tower itself is decorated and covered at the top showing the material prowess and also providing a sunscreen to the archers. The rider used the Elephant itself as a weapon to toss, gore and stomp enemies.

Historically these type of elephants existed in the core part of the Mauryan empire were the Saamraat had direct influence and Ksatriyas were dominant. Significant difference between the Elephant troops of the Tribes and Ksatriyas are the training and way of using them in war. Ksatriyas usually arched from the towers while the Tribes usually threw their bamboo javelins. These Imperial elephants were trained to fight on most ground and better at open plains, the tribes on the other hand trained elephants to fight better even at dense forests. Even used Elephants to surprise the enemy by ambushing. These type of elephants were contained in India.

Among the four different types of Indian armies are the Ksatriyas. The Mauryan king commands four types of Indian armies and the best among them are those from the core of the empire, the Ksatriyas. These men are born to war caste of people who are warlike yet well disciplined by the warrior ethics of Arthashastra. Ksatriyas were also trained in sreni (guilds) but what differentiated them from their sreni counterparts was their caste. Ksatriyas were trained by a recognized martial arts teacher in sreni-funded and royally maintained facilities. Other sreni produce lesser-quality solders who fight for livelihood, unlike men from the Ksatriya caste who fight for glory and protection of their people.



And, an improved model of the mace wielding elephant.



Gadhaikonda Yaanai (Mace Wielding Elephant)

Gadhaikonda Yaanai or a Mace Wielding elephant as translated from tamil are specially trained elephants. The fittest and heaviest elephants are hand picked by the Kings own supervision and trained to carry a heavy load and also to wield a heavy mace to attack enemies and enemy elephants with ease. The elephant also is armored specially with a single sheet of metal of 1-2 inch thickness and have swords attached to them, making the elephant really a force to beware of. A Huge tower is mounted on the backs and carries 3-5 men. The most experienced men are those whoe train and ride the elephant to the battle field.

Historically this highly trained elephants were prominent in south India throught the Dravidian regions and Kingdoms like the Pandyas and Cheras were finansially fit enough to afford such king of elite king of elephant troops. Pandyas and Cheras were the best when it comes to Elephant warfare. Several stocks of such elephants were used in wars. These elephants also carried large amount of supplies duing war. Other elephants usually fear to get on to these king of elephants by the sight of appearence.

[keravnos]

Amazing news. Congratulations on your progress!

[Hax]

If I weren't ill this week, I could finish the EDU and DMB, but alas..

[Tellos Athenaios]

That'll be a sight to behold, when we see those units in action.

[Hax]

I personally love the mace-wielding elephants. Man, if we could have an animation which makes the elephant swinging the mace. Now, THAT would be cool.

[Leviathan DarklyCute]

MIND=BLOWN

[svramj]

I personally love the mace-wielding elephants. Man, if we could have an animation which makes the elephant swinging the mace. Now, THAT would be cool.

Yeah, And for the Yuddha gajah too..If we could have a sitting archer animation, It would be more perfect, sadly none of us know to animate...

[Pinkkiller]

good units

[Leviathan DarklyCute]

Yeah, And for the Yuddha gajah too..If we could have a sitting archer animation, It would be more perfect, sadly none of us know to animate...

What about the original EB animator? Did you ask for his help?

[Aemilius Paulus]

*Sight* I wish the EB team would switch from the pointless EB II to Asia ton Barbaron! *another sight*

[Foot]

My god you're inconsiderate, Aemilius. Yes, yes EBII is going to be exactly the same as EBI - only differences will be all the differences. Not only that, but you are actually insulting the AtB team as you think they can't do just as good a job as the EB team.

So yes, thanks for calling all our many hours of work on EBII "pointless". Its good to know that we are appreciated.

Foot

[Aemilius Paulus]

My god you're inconsiderate, Aemilius. Yes, yes EBII is going to be exactly the same as EBI - only differences will be all the differences. Not only that, but you are actually insulting the AtB team as you think they can't do just as good a job as the EB team.

So yes, thanks for calling all our many hours of work on EBII "pointless". Its good to know that we are appreciated.

Foot

So sorry !!! However, by no means am I insulting AtB team, it is just that one of the main problems in the creation of any mod is manpower. I consider EB the most populous RTW out there and yet I am sure that the EB team could use a couple of people. That's why it would be nice if AtB got more people working on it.

[Leviathan DarklyCute]

HURR DURR criticism is bad and you should feel bad HURR DURR
Foot

Foot, you're [really] annoying. The guy just said he care more about AtB right now then EBII, it doesn't mean we don't appreciate your work and thankful for the time you invest on it.
Take it easy.

[Foot]

He called EBII "pointless". It wasn't criticism, he was actually saying that the work I've been doing is pointless.

And you need to control your language. You're the one who needs to take it easy.

Foot

[keravnos]

If only you guys had known...
Once you do, a lot of things that you would say right now, would probably be printed and then eaten.

So, please, don't assume we are just RE-Doing EB. We don't. It would be pointless if all you would get was a prettier "more of the same". It really would be. As to how worse EB II might be, heck it isn't even out yet, and you really don't know where we are going with it.

@Aemilius Paullus,
Worst case scenario, there will always be EB 1 (insert latest version of EB 1 here). Copy its installation file in a dvd drive and you are good to go for many years to come.

Don't think I don't understand you. I have been there. Waiting for a great sequel to come out and then see it go down in flames. However, I feel perfectly safe in trusting the vision of the best of us (Foot and others). He isn't our Lead developer for nothing.

Besides, I don't see how you stand to lose out of this deal. We haven't charged you a cent and we won't ever (although if you want to put your money where your mouth is, we could use some donations, as the cost of the server comes directly out of our and your pockets.).

https://www.europabarbarorum.com/donations.html

As such, we feel that is the vision of the best of us that we should follow, not just stop development of EB, because someone said we should, and focus on a different area for the same reason.

AtB guys are doing a wonderful job and I wish them all the luck in the world. So far as EB II is concerned, you just have to wait and see. EB 1 that by your admition is the best game you have played, took 4 years and the talent and drive of many people to happen. I don't think that EB II will take as long, but I also don't think it will disappoint.

[svramj]

Yeah I should say this to EB and AtB fans I had chance to see some goodies of EB II some where at TWC, I should say it was a really good work, I just saw 2 or 3 images and it took me to awe, and as far as the AtB is considered we got our Inspiration from EB. And we always try to emulate the EB team, Such an inspiration it gave us. And our team has a great gratitude towards EB, they gave us exclusive permission to use their elements. Perhaps, AtB inherits most of its elements from EB itself.
I should mention Keravnos here, he has been helping us a lot right from the begining of the mod, I've been here at AtB quite a while and I surely must thank him on behalf of the team.

[Pinkkiller]

hmm I am sure both AtB and EBII will be great
end of that discussion..:P

[Hax]

Hear, hear!

And to keravnos: even though I joined quite recently (about half a month ago), I read all the stuff you did for AtB, so a great thanks from me as well , especially on the cities.

[Visitor13]

This is my most awaited mod for RTW

[chairman]

We're glad to hear that there is so much enthusiasm for both AtB and EBII. Thanks Visitor 13! Both teams are working hard, and I personally know that AtB has some really great stuff that we will eventually show in more previews like this last one. The fans' continued patience and support is very appreciated.

Chairman

[Pinkkiller]

progress?

[||Lz3||]

patience... at least they have regular updates...

(ejem ejem more than 2 months since the last EBII preview (not counting the article in TWC)

[Foot]

What? The video doesn't count?

Foot

[||Lz3||]

wow hadn't seen that hehehe

I take back my words...

still... patience is the key isn't it?

[Pinkkiller]

ok..and regular.. that depends what you mean yup patience is the key thought I lack of it

[Malik of Sindh]

The map in first post updated.