The Cataphract trait

[Digby Tatham Warter]

The trait needed by one of your Generals(Seleukids) to get access to Cataphracts was in v0.74 but not v0.81, is it exactly the same now in v1.0 as v74? I ask because it was so difficult to aquire last time and the General who had it then lost it(damm his eyes).
I don't actually need them but I want a more historical cavalry arm. 3 units of companions seems wrong, I prefer 1 companion and 2 cataphracts as my armoured punch, which I presume is a better representation of their powerful cavalry arm.

I have read you need to loose badly, both your body guard and the army to capture his interest. Does it help if he has certain traits, and if he is Intelligent etc? Then what do I do with him, stick him in any city that has cataphracts in the build cue when you look at what a barracks can build(not the cities unit roster because it won't show them yet)? Does it help if the city has one of those top of the line schools/colleges?

Sorry to be a pain with the questions, but it's a long ol trek out there to endeaver to aquire said elusive trait.

Thanking you kindly.

[bovi]

This might be helpful.

;------------------------------------------
;Section: Seleukid Cataphract Reforms
;------------------------------------------
Trigger seleukid_beaten_by_cats
    WhenToTest PostBattle

    Condition IsGeneral
          and not WonBattle
          and I_ConflictType Normal
          and FactionType romans_julii
          and I_TurnNumber > 75
          and PercentageUnitCategory cavalry > 10
;          and NumEnemiesInBattle > 250
          and NumFriendsInBattle > 250
          and not BattleOdds > 0.7
          and PercentageOfArmyKilled > 20
          and PercentageBodyguardKilled > 20

    Affects BeatenByCats  1  Chance  100

;----------------------------
;Trigger: beaten_by_baktrian_cats
; o <ImpressedByCats>  1  Chance  100

Trigger beaten_by_baktrian_cats
    WhenToTest PostBattle

    Condition IsGeneral
          and Trait BeatenByCats > 0
          and GeneralFoughtFaction romans_brutii
          and Trait ImpressedByCats < 1

    Affects ImpressedByCats  1  Chance  100

;----------------------------
;Trigger: beaten_by_armenian_cats
; o <ImpressedByCats>  1  Chance  100

Trigger beaten_by_armenian_cats
    WhenToTest PostBattle

    Condition IsGeneral
          and Trait BeatenByCats > 0
          and GeneralFoughtFaction romans_scipii
          and Trait ImpressedByCats < 1

    Affects ImpressedByCats  1  Chance  100

;----------------------------
;Trigger: beaten_by_parthian_cats
; o <ImpressedByCats>  1  Chance  100

Trigger beaten_by_parthian_cats
    WhenToTest PostBattle

    Condition IsGeneral
          and Trait BeatenByCats > 0
          and GeneralFoughtFaction parthia
          and Trait ImpressedByCats < 1

    Affects ImpressedByCats  1  Chance  100

;----------------------------
Trigger Reverse_beaten_by_some_cats
    WhenToTest PostBattle

    Condition IsGeneral
          and Trait BeatenByCats > 0

    Affects ReverseBeatenByCats  1  Chance  100

;----------------------------
Trigger dad_impressed_by_cats
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

    Condition FatherTrait ImpressedByCats > 0
          and Trait ImpressedByCats < 1

    Affects ImpressedByCats  1  Chance  100


;son impressed that cats beat his dad
;------------------------------------------
;Trigger: SeleukidBeaten_By_Cats_season_passes
; o <ImpressedByCats> 1  Chance 100

Trigger SeleukidBeaten_By_Cats_season_passes
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

    Condition Trait ImpressedByCats > 0
          and Trait ImpressedByCats < 2

    Affects ImpressedByCats  1  Chance  100

[Basileus Seleukeia]

Ok, and now for those of us that do not understand the divine language of RTW codes.

[Digby Tatham Warter]

Ok, and now for those of us that do not understand the divine language of RTW codes.

Yes me too I'm affraid, on these parts I would like clarification, if someone could be so kind that is:
and I_TurnNumber > 75
and PercentageUnitCategory cavalry > 10
; and NumEnemiesInBattle > 250
and NumFriendsInBattle > 250
and not BattleOdds > 0.7

I think the first one is not before turn 75????
The second one is that you need to have above 10% cav
The 3rd and 4th being both armies need to be above 250 men
As for the 5th point it's something to do with having similar numbers, but I'm a tad lost, but I suspect it means that they need to beat you on roughly an equal footing, hence your general is more interested as to why he got his arse handed to him when the numbers were even. But what is: and not BattleOdds > 0.7, am I stupid or what because I don't know what it means?

Also do I have to move him to a correct city with said trait?

I think reading through bovi's generous response it also says 100% chance if the conditions are met, so the intelligence of the General and his retinue/traits have nothing to do with it.

Cheers.

[Tellos Athenaios]

Odds are that you win the battle?

[Digby Tatham Warter]

Odds are that you win the battle?

Eh, what do you mean, that I will make all this effort, and then accidently win the battle, if so good sir I will turn my army round and let them charge me up the backside, even the AI can't loose that one, or can it?

[Puupertti Ruma]

Clarifications (please correct me if I'm wrong):

Condition IsGeneral
          and not WonBattle
          -- you have to lose
          and I_ConflictType Normal
          --  ??
          and FactionType romans_julii
          --  EB's internal name for seleucids
          and I_TurnNumber > 75
          --  Can't happen before 253,50 BC, which is I guess 253 BC fall?
          and PercentageUnitCategory cavalry > 10
          -- 10% of either Human/AI/Whole forces must be cavalry.
;          and NumEnemiesInBattle > 250
          -- More than 250 enemy soldiers in battle
          and NumFriendsInBattle > 250
          -- More than 250 friendly soldiers
          and not BattleOdds > 0.7
          -- This means the computer calculated odds that you see before the battle in the pre-battle screen. They cannot be more than 0.7 (=7/10), so you have to be the underdog to have this trait. Right?
          and PercentageOfArmyKilled > 20
          -- you have to lose at least 20% of your army
          and PercentageBodyguardKilled > 20
          -- you have to lose at least 20% of your bodyguard unit.

    Affects BeatenByCats  1  Chance  100

I find it weird that you have to be the underdog to have this trait. If you are already losing, is it such a wonder that you did lose? Unless of course I am mistaken and it actually means you can't be the underdog.

:edit: Damn I'm slow! :edit: