Cataphract question

**Mithradates VI** · 11-01-2007, 13:21

So....what if you manage to defeat cataphracts? Will you still get them, just later, or?

I'm curious, since I pwned both the Armenians and Parthians in my campaign right now as Arche Seleukia...never lost a battle (came CLOSE a few times, but...)

**Folgore** · 11-01-2007, 13:40

You can still lose to Bactrian cataphracts. As far as I know you have to lose though, there is no other way of getting them. Check out this thread, it should give you some more information:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=94286

**antisocialmunky** · 11-01-2007, 15:42

Also, the Baktrian ones are monstrous even compared to the Late Parthian ones but they come in smaller groups.

**kambiz** · 11-01-2007, 15:48

Excuse me ,Off topic

but when can I get those "Late Pahlava Cataphracts" in my Pahlava campaign??? Thanks

**Pharnakes** · 11-01-2007, 19:59

IDK, but probably after the vannila marians, ie huge city in Italy. That will get you the late bodygaurds anyway, I am almost certain.

**kambiz** · 11-01-2007, 21:39

Originally Posted by Pharnakes

probably after the vannila marians

Marian reform triggered under some conditions ! I'm afraid AI can not provide these conditions ,Can it???

**Mithradates VI** · 11-02-2007, 21:07

Originally Posted by antisocialmunky

Also, the Baktrian ones are monstrous even compared to the Late Parthian ones but they come in smaller groups.

...But I just finished pwning the bactrians too...

Do the Saka have Cataphracts? If so, I might just purposely lose a battle against them so I can have them.....

**antisocialmunky** · 11-02-2007, 22:35

There should be a date trigger for the Kat reforms IMHO if everyone with Kats die.

**Tellos Athenaios** · 11-02-2007, 23:14

Originally Posted by Mithradates VI

...But I just finished pwning the bactrians too...

Do the Saka have Cataphracts? If so, I might just purposely lose a battle against them so I can have them.....

The Saka have Cats too. It even seems they were the very first people to use a distinguishable Cat too.

Mind you: the triggers are quite complex, so one very nice battle won't guarantee them 100%. Unit Size is NOT accounted for, so on anything like Small you simply won't get such reforms through the conditions, I am afraid.

On the other hand, if you have wipe all those treacherous wannabe independent kingdoms off the map ... wouldn't it be a tad silly to specifically arrange a battle so you can trigger Cat reforms?

**Pharnakes** · 11-03-2007, 15:58

But they look so cool...

When I get my new comp and play my first seleukid campaign, I know the first thing I will do is send a general with a full stack of pantodapoi off to get themselves pwned by the Baktrians or Parthians as soon as they get their Catas.

God I am such an hertic...

**Mithradates VI** · 11-04-2007, 06:58

Originally Posted by Tellos Athenaios

The Saka have Cats too. It even seems they were the very first people to use a distinguishable Cat too.

Mind you: the triggers are quite complex, so one very nice battle won't guarantee them 100%. Unit Size is NOT accounted for, so on anything like Small you simply won't get such reforms through the conditions, I am afraid.

On the other hand, if you have wipe all those treacherous wannabe independent kingdoms off the map ... wouldn't it be a tad silly to specifically arrange a battle so you can trigger Cat reforms?

Well, it would be nice to have some Uberheavy Cavalry to pwn the Green Monster which has developed in Greece and Macedonia...

Also, I just plain want to see what you guys have done with them.

I'm playing Large units, actually, so I'm covered there, at least.