Polybian Reform

**soibean** · 11-02-2007, 19:22

Sorry for all the reform questions, but why is it that the majority of the time the roman units get weaker with this reform?

I saw that the defensive stat went up for the hastati but it lost points on its missile attack and melee attack. Principes lose 4 points in attack and a point in missile but go up in defense and are expensive than their camilian counterparts, triarii go down in everything including price, and the skirmishers go down 1 in melee and up in defense.
Can you explain the overly drop in stats? I understand that the defense is going up as they learn how to combat the enemy better but why lose so much offensively?

**mcantu** · 11-02-2007, 19:39

For the Principes, they go from using spears to using a sword. The EB team has raised the attack of spears +4 to negate the -4 penalty that spear units get vs infantry

**Sakkura** · 11-02-2007, 19:53

Are you drunk? (it is friday after all)
The polybian principes are far better than the camillan principes. They get 11 sword attack instead of 14 spear attack, with the same lethality. Better against infantry, worse against cavalry - pretty much the same overall IMO.
Then they get 3 more armor, and a bit higher mass. Their morale is boosted from 12 to 14, and finally they cost 22 mnai less in upkeep.

The hastati get 2 more armor, a serious increase in lethality (0.1 to 0.13) and some morale, in return for a modest increase in cost.

**TWFanatic** · 11-02-2007, 20:58

Originally Posted by Sakkura

Are you drunk? (it is friday after all)
The polybian principes are far better than the camillan principes. They get 11 sword attack instead of 14 spear attack, with the same lethality. Better against infantry, worse against cavalry - pretty much the same overall IMO.
Then they get 3 more armor, and a bit higher mass. Their morale is boosted from 12 to 14, and finally they cost 22 mnai less in upkeep.

The hastati get 2 more armor, a serious increase in lethality (0.1 to 0.13) and some morale, in return for a modest increase in cost.

Not everyone is as smart as you. Think about it, to most people, Camilan principes get 3 higher attack, same morale, are better against cavalry, and cost less at a glance. His question is completely legitimate.

Sakkura is right. However, you might want to study the export_descr_unit file more before asking questions such, soibean, lest you wish to face the taunts of those who enjoy being cruel to newbies.