EB2: The Big Question

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

I'm confused, other then preventing you from using illegal copies of the game and putting something on your computer that you didn't ask for, what does this do that is so evil?

[Geoffrey S]

The latter point I find bad enough, but in theory (and I'll admit I know little about this) it allows for remote access to ones computer without the users knowledge.

[Meneldil]

I'm confused, other then preventing you from using illegal copies of the game and putting something on your computer that you didn't ask for, what does this do that is so evil?

That's pretty much self-explanatory. The fact that removing it is extremely tedious is another problem aswell.
It also creates issues if you're using some legal programs such as Deamontools, AVG and what not.

And don't get me started on the fact that paying consummers are always getting screwed up by this kind of copy-protection thingie (ie. starforce, Bioshock), while people who get the game illegaly will solve the issue in 5 min. So yeah, I won't be buying Kingdoms, and thus, won't be playing EB2, at least until the release a patch to get rid of securom (which will likely never happens).

[Zaknafien]

seems sort of ridiculous. who really cares if you cant make illegal copies? unless its how you earn a living, it seems like NOT a big deal at all.

[Malik of Sindh]

No EB2 for me

[eddy_purpus]

That's pretty much self-explanatory. The fact that removing it is extremely tedious is another problem aswell.
It also creates issues if you're using some legal programs such as Deamontools, AVG and what not.

And don't get me started on the fact that paying consummers are always getting screwed up by this kind of copy-protection thingie (ie. starforce, Bioshock), while people who get the game illegaly will solve the issue in 5 min. So yeah,

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I won't be buying Kingdoms, and thus, won't be playing EB2, at least until the release a patch to get rid of securom (which will likely never happens

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about that .
why dont you post a thread when EBII comes out or 2 months before it comes out . . .
im surely with your idea of a patch to remove SecuRom .

[antisocialmunky]

I'm confused, other then preventing you from using illegal copies of the game and putting something on your computer that you didn't ask for, what does this do that is so evil?

It doesn't stop people from making illegal copies, just makes it marginally harder for those who do and it still takes the same amount of time for everyone else to google the file to do so. '_' Which makes it just irritate honest computer literate people and makes it more attractive for those people to get the cracked version to avoid dealing with crappy DRM.

[Elminster12]

It does seem futile and faintly hostile, but if all you need is an application to remove it for you, all that needs to happen is for said application to be provided and everyone wins.

[Mouzafphaerre]

It does seem futile and faintly hostile, but if all you need is an application to remove it for you, all that needs to happen is for said application to be provided and everyone wins.

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The removal isn't the only issue. As some posters have stated above, SecuRom is malware itself.

And no, it doesn't make illegal copies any harder. Just pisses off the honest customers.
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[Hax]

TBH, I have Kingdoms, and I use DaemonTools all the time with no problems.

[iceman7291]

TBH, I have Kingdoms, and I use DaemonTools all the time with no problems.

I second that statment, and would like to add I also use MagicIso and AVG with NO problems as well.

[Bellum]

seems sort of ridiculous. who really cares if you cant make illegal copies? unless its how you earn a living, it seems like NOT a big deal at all.

It seems to me that people have become desensetised by the current state of software, malicious code is everywhere oftentimes used by legitimate parties, as can be seen by this example. It's become the way things are.

IIRC, in the 90's, everybody would be pissed. Not even because of what the software does, but because it does it to YOUR PROPERTY without your consent. Why should it be acceptable. If I had known that it contained the DRM when I bought it, I wouldn't have (Which is probably one of the reasons why it isn't mentioned anywhere on the box). Installing it now that it's mine is no matter, because the actual software doesn't bother me. I won't be buying anything else from CA, though, because their software is invasive.

[Elthore]

well, it is rumoured that these types of 'backdoor' trojan style copy protection systems send private info(as in, info you did NOT make public) to the parent company, who in turn will sell it to the highest bidder. It is clearly capable of acting in this way, as well, companies have proven be capable of acting this way as well, anything for the profit. Another issue is that more malicious people could use the same ports that are opened by this utility to access your computer. If the public can crack these protections within hours, how long would it take for them to connect to uncracked(infected by SecuROM) versions running on paying customers computers? not very long at all

[Meneldil]

It does seem futile and faintly hostile, but if all you need is an application to remove it for you, all that needs to happen is for said application to be provided and everyone wins.

Well, yeah, it can be removed (though that's quite a tedious process actually), but still, I will never ever buy a game with such copy-protection crap, that only result is to piss off honest players.

And I'm not whining for EB2 to be released as a non-Kingdom mod. I perfectly understand that Kingdom offers great features that would greatly enhance the EB experience. EB2 must be released with Kingdom, even if it means I will likely not play it.

[Bobolicious]

I dont care how easy it is to take off, i would have bought kingdoms just so i could play EB2 but I guess this changes things. Oh well

[Copperknickers]

Has noone noticed that the only way this affects people i have seen so far is if they are taking part in illegal activities? By breaking the laws of computer companies, you lose all their protection, that is how this works, obviously. Of course i do not want this kind of thing on my computer, but then again, i dont want to be caught on camera an average of 100 times a day, but it never does and probably never will even warrant my notice. Not to mention that if anything did happed fraud wise, you would likely make an enormous profit out of a lawsuit, they wont take that risk beleive me.

[Foot]

Has noone noticed that the only way this affects people i have seen so far is if they are taking part in illegal activities? By breaking the laws of computer companies, you lose all their protection, that is how this works, obviously. Of course i do not want this kind of thing on my computer, but then again, i dont want to be caught on camera an average of 100 times a day, but it never does and probably never will even warrant my notice. Not to mention that if anything did happed fraud wise, you would likely make an enormous profit out of a lawsuit, they wont take that risk beleive me.

Wrong actually. I can't use Filemon any more with MTW2 which is a huge shame for discovering bugs in EB. Filemon is a program that monitors the activities of programs on the computer. Securom doesn't like it and will cause the game not to start if it is running, you have to restart the computer just to get into the game. You can start the game first and then load filemon afterwards, but securom won't allow any further use of that program once you've exited it once until you restart the computer.

Just because a company states that its program is to be used to defend copyright and only harms those dealing in illegal activities, doesn't make them correct. The innocent are harmed far more than the criminals.

Foot

[Geoffrey S]

Has noone noticed that the only way this affects people i have seen so far is if they are taking part in illegal activities? By breaking the laws of computer companies, you lose all their protection, that is how this works, obviously. Of course i do not want this kind of thing on my computer, but then again, i dont want to be caught on camera an average of 100 times a day, but it never does and probably never will even warrant my notice. Not to mention that if anything did happed fraud wise, you would likely make an enormous profit out of a lawsuit, they wont take that risk beleive me.

Last I checked, those engaged in illegal activity simply went on downloading games despite all these great security programs; the only ones affected are legal buyers, as always, who are stuck with unwanted programs which may quite conceivably compromise security of a pc or affect other programs.

[Puupertti Ruma]

I think it was representative of Starforge (another nasty malware-type copyright protection software) that said that ultimate goal of copy protection software is to delay the eventual cracking of the game for the critical couple of months, during which the bulk of the games sales are made. After the copy protection has been cracked it serves no purpose, it only makes the life of law abiding retail owning people more difficult, with the added harm of enabling backdoors to their computers.

Fortunately I personally don't know of any troijan, virus or malware that uses these backdoors. Please correct me if I am wrong.

(ps. sorry for the really long sentences)

[eddy_purpus]

Last I checked, those engaged in illegal activity simply went on downloading games despite all these great security programs;

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the only ones affected are legal buyers, as always

, who are stuck with unwanted programs which may quite conceivably compromise security of a pc or affect other programs.

Right there . it is true . because i had no trouble playing M2TW witouth kingdoms .
now i cant even install Kingdoms nor play M2TW =(



make a patch pleasee before EBII comes out !!!
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Leave Britney Alonee LoL :P was watching that video today :P Lol

[mlc82]

Has noone noticed that the only way this affects people i have seen so far is if they are taking part in illegal activities? By breaking the laws of computer companies, you lose all their protection, that is how this works, obviously. Of course i do not want this kind of thing on my computer, but then again, i dont want to be caught on camera an average of 100 times a day, but it never does and probably never will even warrant my notice. Not to mention that if anything did happed fraud wise, you would likely make an enormous profit out of a lawsuit, they wont take that risk beleive me.

Actually, with StarForce, it did. I didn't know Silent Hunter III used Starforce protection (or even what SF was) when I bought it, installed it, and soon afterward realized that the cd drive I installed the game from started running at the slowest speed it could. That drive would take upward of an hour to install any other game on a single CD, while my other drive would install the same game in the less than 5 minutes. I can't PROVE that SF was the problem, however the drive worked fine both before installing Silent Hunter III, and while installing it, then just slowed itself to a crawl.

I'm not sure if I'm allowed to speak on the forum of how to legally buy a game and still get around this sort of copy protection (it requires use of a "patch I shall not name" that isn't official, and allows playing the game without the CD in the drive)...

[Meneldil]

Has noone noticed that the only way this affects people i have seen so far is if they are taking part in illegal activities?

Do you have anything to support the claim that Mouzafphaerre, Bobolicious, or for that matter, any of the dozens people who stated they wouldn't be buying Kingdom are actually taking part in illegal activities ?
Yeah, you don't.

Just to sum it up : if I was taking part in illegal activities, I would not even bother about securom. On the other hand, if I buy kingdom, I might find myself with a game that can't run on my PC or screw up other programs. Thanks, but not thanks. I already *bought* a game that *wouldn't freaking work at all* thanks to Starforce, I'm not even going to see what will be happening with Securom.

[born2dive67]

I also dont have any problems what so ever using deamons, hacks, keygens, AVG. everything works on my puter as good as new. no problems what so ever.

I think the problem is just like when steam came out and everyone freaked on that one.

[Dibran88]

I have a question of my own. for the love of God why is every faction in EB1 speaking Greek. Illiriyan's never spoke Greek. neither did romans and what not. No disrespect to the team or anyone who is Greek. but either add some diversity with native tongues or make it all English in game. one of my friends was playing against a Serbian or rather Baltic faction, and they were speaking greek.?

is this a feature that hopefully will not be included in the next version.

Again no disrespect to the team or anyone who is Greek. i just believe for more accuracy, either have them speak the native tongue if you can find it, or just have it all in English ( when you click on the faction and they recite there profession).

[Admetos]

I'm sure I just read that exact post in another thread...

[Foot]

I have a question of my own. for the love of God why is every faction in EB1 speaking Greek. Illiriyan's never spoke Greek. neither did romans and what not. No disrespect to the team or anyone who is Greek. but either add some diversity with native tongues or make it all English in game. one of my friends was playing against a Serbian or rather Baltic faction, and they were speaking greek.?

is this a feature that hopefully will not be included in the next version.

Again no disrespect to the team or anyone who is Greek. i just believe for more accuracy, either have them speak the native tongue if you can find it, or just have it all in English ( when you click on the faction and they recite there profession).

Not all voicemods have been completed yet, this is an ongoing project. In the end the most appropriate language for every faction will be implemented, as long as it is a language that can reasonably be reconstructed.

Foot

[Pharnakes]

I have a question of my own. for the love of God why is every faction in EB1 speaking Greek. Illiriyan's never spoke Greek. neither did romans and what not. No disrespect to the team or anyone who is Greek. but either add some diversity with native tongues or make it all English in game. one of my friends was playing against a Serbian or rather Baltic faction, and they were speaking greek.?

is this a feature that hopefully will not be included in the next version.

Again no disrespect to the team or anyone who is Greek. i just believe for more accuracy, either have them speak the native tongue if you can find it, or just have it all in English ( when you click on the faction and they recite there profession).

I have no idea about the baltic people, but the Romani most definately don't speak Greek, they speak latin.

Maybe they spoke greek in 0.7X, but since 0.8 its definately been Latin.

[Tellos Athenaios]

I have no idea about the baltic people, but the Romani most definately don't speak Greek, they speak latin.

Maybe they spoke greek in 0.7X, but since 0.8 its definately been Latin.

They didn't speak Greek in 0.7x: the Greeks spoke Latin and so did the Romans (in EB 0.7x not in the *real* world). Culture bug.

[russia almighty]

Even though I don't like it secrom is no where near as bad as starforce . That has been known to fry optical drives .

[eddy_purpus]

soooo . . .
kingdoms have malware man ?
because im buying a laptop to play the total series . . .
does any antivirus stop that malware you guys are talkin about ?