Oldest suitor

[Gazius]

What's the oldest suitor you've ever seen?


As soon as they consumate the marriage he's dead!

[Xehh II]

I had a 60 year old go after a 14 year old daughter.

[Dayve]

It was quite common in those days... Marriage wasn't something done out of love, it was done for money and political reasons.

[Mouzafphaerre]

It was quite common in those days... Marriage wasn't something done out of love, it was done for money and political reasons.

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Those days: ca. 2007 AD?
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[Gazius]

Indeed, and it's still done today, but my point was that, how often do you see that old of a suitor in RTW. Not very from personal experience. I wasn't commenting on anything else.

What's the maximum age anyhow?

[Dayve]

Of course it's still done today... not much though, these days most people marry for love. Or puppy love, whatever.

I don't get really old suitors... I think the oldest i ever got was like 40. I do see 50 year old family members married to 13 year old girls sometimes though.

[Mouzafphaerre]

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The oldest I remember appeared today in his 43 and got rejected, not because of his age.
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[Underhand]

As soon as they consumate the marriage he's dead!

73 and not even feeling his age? That's one spry OAP. Although on the other hand, he's still green and a bit of a coward. Start him off as a military tribune and see if he lasts out the term

[Treverer]

A gent of 57 summers, if I remember well. And the lady was in the mid/late twenties. He was finally an acceptable character, after some 4 to 5 really bad, ugly, miserable and dull ones.

What's the maximum age anyhow?

I'd like to know the answer to that question too, and to the logical follow-up one: How does the AI determine a characters' death? Suren, there must be somewhere a little algorithm (spelling ?), checking his age and increasing the chance to die after getting older and older. What are the modificators?

The oldest character I once saw was 98 (a Scipiones, in vanilla RTW).

Yours, T.

[Dayve]

I'd imagine it's merely a % each time they age. Like, for example, once they reach 55 a 1% chance per turn, at 60 a 30% chance each turn, so on and so on.

I'd like to know the specific numbers too though. I know that if you continually save and then reload if they die their age eventually resets. Not sure if EB fixed it so like after a certain age there's a 100% chance they'll die even if you save/load, but i know for fact this used to be what happened.

[macsen rufus]

Still got a way to go to catch up with real life - Massinissa the Numidian king was in the saddle (in as many senses as you like ) until he was 90. I think his youngest child was only 2 when he died

[bovi]

I'd like to know the specific numbers too though. I know that if you continually save and then reload if they die their age eventually resets. Not sure if EB fixed it so like after a certain age there's a 100% chance they'll die even if you save/load, but i know for fact this used to be what happened.

I don't think we've modded that bit, or even if it can be modded. EB generals tend to live shorter than vanilla's because of the 4 turns per year, twice as many chances to die for each year.

[Tellos Athenaios]

What's the oldest suitor you've ever seen?


As soon as they consumate the marriage he's dead!

You know, he doesn't look that old...

Yeah well, most suitors get dimissed by me for being a useless ignorant & uneducated idiot. No capacities & capabilities at all, those guys.

[bovi]

Unlike the children, of course, that are useless ignorant & uneducated idiots but can't be avoided . Anyone becomes useful with decent schooling, and the come-of-age ones have more time to do so though.

[Folgore]

It was quite common in those days... Marriage wasn't something done out of love, it was done for money and political reasons.

Exactly. This become very apparent when taking a closer look at the relations between the Diadochi. Seleucos Nikator for example, his second wife (Stratonike) was the daughter of Demetrios (son of Antigonos Monophthalmos). He was 56 at the time of the marriage, she only 17. (This marriage was only one or two years after the battle of Ipsus, in which Seleucos defeated Antigonos (and Demetrios) and in which Antigonos was killed.) After Seleucos' death his son (Antiochos Soter) married Stratonike (his stepmother).
Much stranger though are the relations between the Ptolemaioi. To name one example, Ptolemaios II Philadelphos. He was first married to Arsinoe I, daughter of Lysimachos. After Lysimachos' death he married his wife, Arsinoe II, his own sister! (His nickname Philadelphos means sister-lover.) If you take a closer look at the rest of the Ptolemaioi you'll notice a lot more Philadelphoses. (apparenly it's some sort of Egyptian custom to marry one's sister...)

[different_13]

It's to ensure the succession.
Royal blood was matrilineal.

That's why any new king would always marry a royal princess (usually either the previous pharaoh's wife, or one of his sisters ((or even other female relatives, if there were no sisters)).

[russia almighty]

I wonder how bad the rare dieases were in the Ptolemaic dynasty ?


Anyway my dudes have a tendency to like older women . I have a 20 year old with a 45 year old wife .

[gurakshun]

What's the oldest suitor you've ever seen?


As soon as they consumate the marriage he's dead!

I like how he cleverly takes a picture from the side and wears a great big helmet so you can't see how old and wrinkly his face really is

[CaesarAugustus]

Lol poor Lepida.... I sometimes will reject the suitor if I feel he is too old, evn if he is an ok general. It just feels wrong marrying 40-somethings to 14 year olds.

[Olaf The Great]

The emperor, has married a horse.

[Leão magno]

I like how he cleverly takes a picture from the side and wears a great big helmet so you can't see how old and wrinkly his face really is

Not only that, he also got a real fine artist to portrait him!!!!

[Maksimus]

My first faction leader from my Armenia VH campaig died at age 74... And he had Level 6 expirience... fought many battles.. still I was very sad he pased away.. I miss his beautifull charges in fron of my army :(

[Leão magno]

Same for me in my campaing as Hay! he lived till he was 74 too and his heir lived till 73... what a good genetics is not it?

[Centurio Nixalsverdrus]

In my 0.81 Mak campaign all my generals died with exactly 62. A notably exception was only 64.

[Mouzafphaerre]

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His nickname Philadelphos means sister-lover.

AFAIK it was Arsinoë, his sister-wife, whom he posthumously deified with the cognomen "brother-lover" (Φιλάδελφος) but it stuck to himself instead.
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[skuzzy]

I just got a 71 in my Makedonian campaign circa 209BC. You still got me beat though. He was Sharp/Charismatic/Vigorous though although I can all three of those must have declined a bit at that age :)

[beatoangelico]

in 0.81 with Ptolemaioi one of the FM at the start is already in his 70s and he managed to stay alive until 81

[TWFanatic]

What I don't get is why they arrest a 17 year old for having oral sex with a fifteen year old, then let Larry King run free...the guy's marrying people 80 years younger than him!

But that's a different matter.

Has anyone ever had an FM remarry?

[Centurio Nixalsverdrus]

Has anyone ever had an FM remarry?

How could that be possible?

[Horst Nordfink]

It would be good if it was possible. I've just had a 16 year old general killed two turns after he married one of my daughters. What a waste of a valuable daughter if she has to be a widow for the rest of her life.