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[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

172BC already is early. In EB v0.7x, you had to wait until 107BC. I'm pretty sure there will be no official moving of the reform to sooner.

[Lucasiewicz]

I edited the script myself to remove the time-condition, so I could get the reform whenever the other conditions were met. And I don't consider this cheating as I think the reforms should be possible whenever a set of certain conditions is met, irregardless of the time being. Unless offcourse the time itself plays an important role. But in this case, I consider the other trigers more important (the latifundia, the reformator-character, the number of provinces). This is certainly true because the expansion as player for Roma, always goes faster the it did historically.

[konny]

Unless offcourse the time itself plays an important role.

Not that much. The Cimbri invasion played a role, but the reforms could have been triggred by another event or another character living a generation early or later as well. I think the time is implemented because the reforms of the other factions are also (partly) triggered by the time elapsed.

In EB 0.8 I had changed the Romans reforms to be triggered by the number of provinces only. That might make it easyer for the AI to get them - but could also mean that the Romans are stacked in the Camillan Periode for ever, if they don't make it out of Italy.

[Sakkura]

I edited the script myself to remove the time-condition, so I could get the reform whenever the other conditions were met. And I don't consider this cheating as I think the reforms should be possible whenever a set of certain conditions is met, irregardless of the time being. Unless offcourse the time itself plays an important role. But in this case, I consider the other trigers more important (the latifundia, the reformator-character, the number of provinces). This is certainly true because the expansion as player for Roma, always goes faster the it did historically.

Well, the societal factors did play some role as well. My understanding is that aristocratic appropriation of more and more land created more and more disgruntled poor people, especially from around the middle of the second century BC. These poor people allowed people like Tiberius Gracchus to press for reforms; he ended up on the receiving end of a senator's club, but was still succeeded by his brother fighting for the same cause. That led to the killing of some 3,000 people, but the social unrest continued. When an entire Roman legion embarassingly surrendered to the Numidians in 112 BC, the dissatisfaction with the senate reached a new high, and Gaius Marius used the popular sentiment to gain the power of consul. The rest is history.

So social unrest and weaknesses in the senate were important factors. As a matter of fact, they were important in the transformation of Rome into an empire as well.

[sgsandor]

I edited my eb script so it is ny number of provinces. I think that EB does its best to make things historically accurate but it seems to me that due to the RTW engine things move at an acclerated pace by about 60-70 years in my case. That being said i am not a historian (i learn via TV lol). After the first 40-120 turns things heat up very quickly for me so in my mind its "hey things heated up for the romans in africa and i cant get my troops everywhere anymore, its too far thing heat up for me in 230 I should get the reforms then if i have the same problem. I still train all my troops in italy but it is nice after marching in some god forsaken wilderness to head back to a province that is realtively close and re-train afew. I mean Pompey recruited troops in Spain and Greece (i think) why shouldn't I? I dunno lol maybe i was just ranting cause i love EB a lil too much (may explain why i am single lol)