Battle of Poltava - very nice video!

[KLAssurbanipal]

Great Northern War. Battle of Poltava. Three Parts:

Part 1 https://www.youtube.com/v/24gQKRF9aJ0&rel=1

Part 2 https://youtube.com/watch?v=esMhRIpxhSQ

Part 3 https://www.youtube.com/v/3j5X432TESM&rel=1

[Sheogorath]

Ah, nationalist cinema. You really have to love the way the Swedes are portrayed as completly incompetent, while guy (main character, I assume?) is a swashbuckling hero who stood on top of battlements and had sword fights with Swedish officers while musket fire flew all around him. Not to mention both the Frenchmen speak Russian, at a period when Peter was having all his armies commands issued in French ;)
Much like in American civil war movies, you'll note, the Swedes MARCH, rather well I might add, whereas the Russians walk into battle. Hence, the Swedes are a sort of huge and evil hivemind, whereas those brave Ruskies are individual humans. You also get the menacing 'STOMP STOMP STOMP' effect when the Swedish army is marching.
And, in every engagement, the Swedes ALWAYS shoot first. The Russians, stalwart lads that they are, dont even try to get in a shot until the Swedes have let off their first cannon/musket volleys. I also saw at least two occasions of a Swede stabbing a Russian in the back (and one act of 'Grab him from behind by the neck and slit his throat, as if that'd happen during a battle), whereas the Russians always engage from the front ;)
It seems that Swedes scream loudly when they die, whereas Russians just sort of keel over.
Russian musket fire also seems decidedly more effective than the Swedes. Damn those crooked musket balls!

Also, I note that there seem to be more Swedes than Russians in the video. Wiki says that the Russians outnumbered the Swedes by about 20,000 men.

And finally, the main French character bears a strong resemblance to the historical depictions of Peter the Great.

It looks pretty nice though, but in the end its basically the Russian equivalent of the Patriot, although without Mel Gibson, which is nice.

[imnothere]

check out BLUE WOLF re Life of Genghis Khan. For one thing, i didn't know that Mongolians speak Japanese , another is that the eldest son Jochi is the least favoured of all four heirs. Also Subedai's role as Temujin's advisor are minimal. Plus that an army can win battles by simply charging headlong into the fray.

nevertheless, it is an interesting movie. Go Ara is actually quite hot, plus some stuff are actually accurate (they remembered to use ponies instead of stallions). but overall, no Hollywood/Tokyowood/Bollywood movie for the mass audiences should be consider as material for history class.

[Abokasee]

Sorry to go off topic, but why does the film use the same sounds from Total Annhilation, there VERY different time periods

[Fisherking]

I didn’t even watch all of the first one to know that this is just video trip. The only thing I saw that was correct was that Charles XII is on a litter, but the litter was slung between two horses and not carried by footmen.

The assault started before dawn and the Swedes crawled into position during the night. Russian numbers as well as masses of cannon turned the tide aided by Swedish tactical errors and confusion on the part of some of the key commanders.

For what ever reasons the Swedish Army had a disdain for artillery which in the end cost them their empire.

The order of battle was:

Russia: 30,000 Infantry, 9,ooo Cavalry, 3,000 Cossacks, and more than 100 cannon.

Swedes: aprox. 9,500 Infantry, nearly 13,000 Cavalry, 5,000 Cossacks, and 32 cannon.

For the Swedes the best thing to have done was call off the attack because of too many troops being lost in the dark. Also the plan called for bypassing the redoubts and not to assault them…which they ended up doing and it cost them surprise and bogged them down subjecting them to intense cannon fire and pretty much cost them the battle.

[Cyclops]

Hard to make a decent historical film. I want to see a "Life of Cyrus" made in Old Persian. Still at least they're giving it a go.

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For what ever reasons the Swedish Army had a disdain for artillery which in the end cost them their empire.

The order of battle was:

Russia: 30,000 Infantry, 9,ooo Cavalry, 3,000 Cossacks, and more than 100 cannon.

Swedes: aprox. 9,500 Infantry, nearly 13,000 Cavalry, 5,000 Cossacks, and 32 cannon....

I think the Swedes maybe de-emphasised artillery as slow and went for aggressive mobility?

I think their Russian and Polish enemies had proved susceptible to the Swedes superior discipline and aggression earlier in the Northern war (and for a while before that too).

I hadn't realised there was 13,000 Swedish cav at the battle, I had thought it was about 1200.

Peter took stock of his foe: Charles was a better soldier, with better troops and better mobility but fewer numbers and fewer guns.

Peter sensibly gave him a maze of hard targets to attack (something Charles would find hard to resist), where mobility wasn't an issue and the Swedes would be exposed to prolonged artillery fire.

I think Peter deserves credit for a sensible strategy maximising his strengths (which were few) in the face of a reputedly invincible foe.

[derfinsterling]

Not to mention both the Frenchmen speak Russian, at a period when Peter was having all his armies commands issued in French ;)

Since the movie is presumably targeted at Russian adolescents, that's hardly surprising. From what I see from the trailer, the new Bryan Singer film Valkyrie shows that the conspirators to kill Hitler apparently all spoke English all the time.

Or, you know, I could just take that with a grain of salt and remember that it's a movie, not a documentary. ;)

[Sheogorath]

Since the movie is presumably targeted at Russian adolescents, that's hardly surprising. From what I see from the trailer, the new Bryan Singer film Valkyrie shows that the conspirators to kill Hitler apparently all spoke English all the time.

Or, you know, I could just take that with a grain of salt and remember that it's a movie, not a documentary. ;)

I figure'd I'd include that on the basis that everything else was wrong, so I might as well mention language too :P
Although I do have to say, they had the Swedes speaking Swedish and not hooting like monkeys.

[Ozzman1O1]

try the movie 300,or brave heart

[Husar]

Since the movie is presumably targeted at Russian adolescents, that's hardly surprising. From what I see from the trailer, the new Bryan Singer film Valkyrie shows that the conspirators to kill Hitler apparently all spoke English all the time.

How do you think they find conspirators? They listen to their language of course!

[Flavius Merobaudes]

Considering what's going on in Russia, it's hardly surprising there's a lot of nationalist propaganda movies currently...

[YuriVII]

If you want to see a great battle film on youtube, go and look up Sergei Bandarchuk's classic War and Peace (Voinya i Mir). The depiction of Borodino is just amazing.

[Russia_CCCP]

What is that supposed to mean? You saying Russia is incorparated by propaganda flyers and patriotic movies? No my friend, you are misinformed.

[The_Mark]

Considering what's going on in Russia, it's hardly surprising there's a lot of nationalist propaganda movies currently...

And of the Czarist times, even. Go Putin!

[disamen]

Sweden lost this battle. But if Sweden won this battle Russia would be crushed. Because we won the other battles such as The Battle of Narva, the swedes was 10000 and the russians 40000 at that time. But Russians got better generals and stronger infantary. So at 1709 Sweden lost the battle of Poltava, that made Sweden weaker and weaker. But we got stronger after 80 years.

[disamen]

Sweden lost this battle. But if Sweden won this battle Russia would be crushed. Because we won the other battles such as The Battle of Narva, the swedes was 10000 and the russians 40000 at that time. But Russians got better generals and stronger infantary. So at 1709 Sweden lost the battle of Poltava, that made Sweden weaker and weaker. But we got stronger after 80 years.

i mean, the russians got better generals after the battle of such as narva, we won 2 great victorys more, but cant remember the names:P. but after the battles the russians got better generals, so sweden was suprised and lost this battle,

[Pinxit]

i mean, the russians got better generals after the battle of such as narva, we won 2 great victorys more, but cant remember the names:P. but after the battles the russians got better generals, so sweden was suprised and lost this battle,

I was under the impression that there was nothing about the Russian army that could compete with the Swedish army. Sweden had, at the time, one of the best armies in Europe. Small, but close to invincible.

The movie is an insult to Sweden. It shows Swedish soldiers raping, murdering women, burning villages, etc. Yeah, right. Im sure Sweden would have burned, and raped, and murdered, like any army, but the Russians beat us to it. Scorched earth. Destroyed their own land. Nothing of this is shown in the movie. And how come the Swedish army seems to be greater in number? Sweden had 10,000 troops against Peters 48,000. This movie is insulting. And the Swedes speak swedish very poorly with a russian accent.

[Martok]

Necro-posting in old threads is generally a no-no, especially when it wasn't really talking about the game in the first place. This thread should have been allowed to die a natural death.


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