How would you move your forearms with llamelar arm armor?

[russia almighty]

If you don't know what I mean look at the cataphracts of the Hai and Pahlava . How could they move there arms with that stuff on ?

[NeoSpartan]

its articulated.

like this... wait until he touches it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFMyhs28jXc

[russia almighty]

O rlly ? It really doesn't look like that in game . It just looks like the llamelar was stack on top of each other all the way down . So it was kinda like 15th century plate armor ?

[Landwalker]

Bear in mind that lamellar is iron bands sewn onto leather or some other flexible material. The plates might overlap slightly, but they aren't attached to each other. Thus, while your movement might not be perfect, it isn't severely constricted (other than by the fact that you have several pounds of metal wrapped around your arm).

Cheers.

[artavazd]

so the metal would be sewn onto leather, and all a person would have to do is put their arm into the casing?

[Pharnakes]

Pretty much.

[russia almighty]

So realistically there would be gaps in the armor you could take advantage of ?

[Pharnakes]

yes, though not on the arms. The armour on the arms was almost like lorica segmentata in stucture.

[russia almighty]

Damn armor is confusing . I still haven't entirely learned the difference between llamelar and scale .

[artavazd]

so if you just put your arm in the casing how would the wearer make sure it was a tight fit? were there additional straps that made the casing "hug" the arm tighter?

[mirmorix]

Its simple: they move left, right, up and down .
something like that :


sorry i cannot withstand , my apologize

[Watchman]

First off it's laminate, not lamellar; two quite different types of armour. Laminate is overlapping horizontal bands or strips (lames), as in the lorica segmentata and those cataphract arm defenses among others, held together by internal leathers, textile or leather base or sliding-rivet structure (as in much Late Medieval and Early Modern European armour of this type). Lamellar consists of small plates (lamellae), not unlike those used in scale armour, laced overlappingly to each other, usually independently of any backing; Japanese armour was mostly made in this fashion for example, and it was long very very popular in Asia - at least one of the loading screens discusses a lamellar corselet on a Parthian heavy cavalryman for example.

Laminated armour is usually relatively articulate, which is why it was used in the joint sections of plate armour for example as well as upper leg guards - although the fact the cheires-type armoured sleeves of EB timeframe normally have no opening for the inside of the elbow joint must still have somewhat compromised the degree to which the arm could actually bend. Lamellar is conversely practically rigid, probably even more so than most scale - the rows of lamellae simply cannot flex too much relative to each other without "scissoring" the lacing that joins them, and naturally the overlapping structure cannot bend inwards "against itself" any better than scale in any case; which is why you never encounter lamellar in inner joint defenses. Indeed the most common type of lamellar arm defense I've read of is a large "board" strapped to the upper arm, not in fact unlike those shields some EB-period steppe warriors carry in a similar position and perhaps indeed a descendant of the same principle. Leg defenses tend to be wide "chaps" covering the outside of the limb, often an extension of the body armour.