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    Post Re: ::Alexander EB:: ALX.exe EB mod

    I have one (well two .) more solution that will add to gameplay

    Originally posted by ''Barbarossa82'' in his ''Gold Mod Collection''. The term “extermination” sounds too cruel, and that was not the case in history

    https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=90798

    ''EXTERMINATION AND PUBLIC ORDER
    The problem: In pure vanilla, you have the option to "exterminate" a settlement you conquer, and the game tells you how many people will be killed. Because of squalor, culture penalty and distance to capital, extermination can quickly become the rule rather than the exception as your empire grows. This not only makes it hard to roleplay a faction with any degree of humanity, but is quite unhistorical. Organised mass slaughter of the majority of a settlement's population was historically rare. More likely was a situation where a commander would allow his troops to basically run riot, looting, raping, pillaging and generally brutalising the settlement. The difference here is that a lot of the locals would just flee or be turned out of their homes rather than being rounded up, executed and buried in a mass grave as RTW's text and graphics imply.
    The solution: Text, the "exterminator" line of traits and graphics have been changed to make it a bit more ambiguous what exactly is happening in the settlement you decide to exterminate. Instead of the option to "exterminate populace", you are now given the option to "suppress populace". The text descriptions, graphics and sounds are now more consistent with the spontaneous depredations of a victorious army set loose by their commander, rather than the 20th-century-style industrialised genocide implied by the original text. Of course if you're a complete git who loves the idea that your troops go around wiping out entire populations, the new text is ambiguous enough to allow you to believe that.
    ''




    Should we use this feature as on far more real and better solution for the game

    AND ONE MORE THING!

    I have already posted the BALLISTA solution's here - like add to exp_descr_units.txt 2 times more soldier's and an Officer and SBear and 2 times more ballistas in the unit - then lower the ballista attack by 2 times - and you have unit that LOOK's like a unit and make's sence to COST like HELL!

    Yes, so that it would look like this..

    ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
    ;;;;;;;;EB Siege;;;;;;;;;;;;;
    ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    ;343
    type generic siege 3span
    dictionary generic_siege_3span ; Triaspanai Katapeltai
    category siege
    class missile
    voice_type General_1
    soldier greek_artillery_crew, 48, 16, 0.85
    officer ebofficer_hellenic_officer
    officer ebofficer_hellenic_standardbearer
    engine scorpion
    attributes sea_faring
    formation 1.5, 1.5, 3, 3, 3, square
    stat_health 1, 0
    stat_pri 8, 2, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, knife, 0 ,0.04
    stat_pri_attr no
    stat_sec 12, 2, scorpion, 350, 30, siege_missile, blade, piercing, none, 25 ,1
    stat_sec_attr ap, bp
    stat_pri_armour 1, 7, 0, flesh
    stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
    stat_heat 0
    stat_ground 0, 0, 0, 0
    stat_mental 7, normal, untrained
    stat_charge_dist 30
    stat_fire_delay 0
    stat_food 60, 300
    stat_cost 1, 5000, 1900, 30, 40, 5000
    ownership romans_brutii, romans_julii, numidia, macedon, saba, thrace, greek_cities, egypt, carthage, romans_scipii, parthia, seleucid, slave, pontus, armenia, gauls, britons, scythia, germans, dacia, spain

    ;344
    type generic siege 3cubit
    dictionary generic_siege_3cubit ; Triakubitai Katapeltai
    category siege
    class missile
    voice_type General_1
    soldier greek_artillery_crew, 32, 8, 0.85
    officer ebofficer_hellenic_officer
    officer ebofficer_hellenic_standardbearer
    engine catapulta
    attributes sea_faring
    formation 1.5, 1.5, 3, 3, 3, square
    stat_health 1, 0
    stat_pri 8, 2, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, knife, 0 ,0.04
    stat_pri_attr no
    stat_sec 20, 2, ballista, 280, 30, siege_missile, blade, piercing, none, 25 ,1
    stat_sec_attr ap, bp, launching
    stat_pri_armour 1, 7, 0, flesh
    stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
    stat_heat 0
    stat_ground 0, 0, 0, 0
    stat_mental 7, normal, untrained
    stat_charge_dist 30
    stat_fire_delay 0
    stat_food 60, 300
    stat_cost 1, 9000, 2500, 30, 40, 9000
    ownership thrace, greek_cities, macedon, romans_julii, numidia, egypt, spain, romans_brutii, seleucid, saba, slave, carthage

    ;345
    type generic siege 30mina
    dictionary generic_siege_30mina ; Triakontaiminai Lithoboloi
    category siege
    class missile
    voice_type General_1
    soldier greek_artillery_crew, 60, 8, 0.85
    officer ebofficer_hellenic_officer
    officer ebofficer_hellenic_standardbearer
    engine 30Mballista
    attributes sea_faring
    formation 1.5, 1.5, 3, 3, 3, square
    stat_health 1, 0
    stat_pri 8, 2, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, knife, 0 ,0.04
    stat_pri_attr no
    stat_sec 20, 2, boulder, 300, 30, siege_missile, blade, blunt, none, 25 ,1
    stat_sec_attr ap, bp, area,
    stat_pri_armour 1, 7, 0, flesh
    stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
    stat_heat 0
    stat_ground 0, 0, 0, 0
    stat_mental 7, normal, untrained
    stat_charge_dist 30
    stat_fire_delay 0
    stat_food 60, 300
    stat_cost 1, 15000, 3200, 30, 40, 15000
    ownership thrace, greek_cities, macedon, romans_julii, numidia, egypt, spain, romans_brutii, seleucid, saba, slave, carthage

    ;346
    type generic siege 1talent
    dictionary generic_siege_1talent ; Monotalanta Lithoboloi
    category siege
    class missile
    voice_type General_1
    soldier greek_artillery_crew, 60, 4, 0.85
    officer ebofficer_hellenic_officer
    officer ebofficer_hellenic_standardbearer
    engine 1Tballista
    attributes sea_faring
    formation 1.5, 1.5, 3, 3, 3, square
    stat_health 1, 0
    stat_pri 8, 2, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, knife, 0 ,0.04
    stat_pri_attr no
    stat_sec 38, 2, big_boulder, 240, 30, siege_missile, blade, blunt, none, 25 ,1
    stat_sec_attr ap, bp, area, launching
    stat_pri_armour 1, 7, 0, flesh
    stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
    stat_heat 0
    stat_ground 0, 0, 0, 0
    stat_mental 7, normal, untrained
    stat_charge_dist 30
    stat_fire_delay 0
    stat_food 60, 300
    stat_cost 1, 30000, 4500, 30, 40, 30000
    ownership thrace, greek_cities, macedon, romans_julii, numidia, egypt, spain, romans_brutii, seleucid, saba, slave, carthage

    ;347
    type roman artillery scorpio
    dictionary roman_artillery_scorpio ; Vitruvian Scorpions
    category siege
    class missile
    voice_type General_1
    soldier greek_artillery_crew, 48, 16, 0.85
    officer ebofficer_roman_centurion
    officer ebofficer_roman_early_standard
    engine scorpion
    attributes sea_faring
    formation 1.5, 1.5, 3, 3, 3, square
    stat_health 1, 0
    stat_pri 8, 1, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, knife, 0 ,0.04
    stat_pri_attr no
    stat_sec 14, 2, scorpion, 380, 30, siege_missile, blade, piercing, none, 25 ,1
    stat_sec_attr ap, bp
    stat_pri_armour 1, 6, 0, flesh
    stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
    stat_heat 0
    stat_ground 0, 0, 0, 0
    stat_mental 7, disciplined, highly_trained
    stat_charge_dist 30
    stat_fire_delay 0
    stat_food 60, 300
    stat_cost 1, 5000, 1900, 30, 40, 5000
    ownership seleucid, slave

    ;348
    type roman artillery catapulta
    dictionary roman_artillery_catapulta ; Vitruvian catapulta
    category siege
    class missile
    voice_type General_1
    soldier greek_artillery_crew, 60, 16, 0.85
    officer ebofficer_roman_centurion
    officer ebofficer_roman_early_standard
    engine catapulta
    attributes sea_faring
    formation 1.5, 1.5, 3, 3, 3, square
    stat_health 1, 0
    stat_pri 8, 1, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, knife, 0 ,0.04
    stat_pri_attr no
    stat_sec 12, 2, ballista, 303, 30, siege_missile, blade, piercing, none, 25 ,1
    stat_sec_attr ap, bp, launching
    stat_pri_armour 1, 7, 0, flesh
    stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
    stat_heat 0
    stat_ground 0, 0, 0, 0
    stat_mental 7, disciplined, highly_trained
    stat_charge_dist 30
    stat_fire_delay 0
    stat_food 60, 300
    stat_cost 1, 9000, 2500, 30, 40, 9000
    ownership seleucid, slave

    ;349
    type roman artillery 30mina
    dictionary roman_artillery_30mina ; Vitruvian 30 mina stone thrower
    category siege
    class missile
    voice_type General_1
    soldier greek_artillery_crew, 60, 8, 0.85
    officer ebofficer_roman_centurion
    officer ebofficer_roman_early_standard
    engine 30Mballista
    attributes sea_faring
    formation 1.5, 1.5, 3, 3, 3, square
    stat_health 1, 0
    stat_pri 8, 2, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, knife, 0 ,0.04
    stat_pri_attr no
    stat_sec 32, 2, boulder, 303, 30, siege_missile, blade, blunt, none, 25 ,1
    stat_sec_attr ap, bp, area,
    stat_pri_armour 1, 7, 0, flesh
    stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
    stat_heat 0
    stat_ground 0, 0, 0, 0
    stat_mental 7, disciplined, highly_trained
    stat_charge_dist 30
    stat_fire_delay 0
    stat_food 60, 300
    stat_cost 1, 15000, 3200, 30, 40, 15000
    ownership seleucid, slave

    ;350
    type roman artillery 1talent
    dictionary roman_artillery_1talent ; Vitruvian 1 talent stone thrower
    category siege
    class missile
    voice_type General_1
    soldier greek_artillery_crew, 60, 4, 0.85
    officer ebofficer_roman_centurion
    officer ebofficer_roman_early_standard
    engine 1Tballista
    attributes sea_faring
    formation 1.5, 1.5, 3, 3, 3, square
    stat_health 1, 0
    stat_pri 8, 2, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, knife, 0 ,0.04
    stat_pri_attr no
    stat_sec 42, 2, big_boulder, 270, 30, siege_missile, blade, blunt, none, 25 ,1
    stat_sec_attr ap, bp, area, launching
    stat_pri_armour 1, 7, 0, flesh
    stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
    stat_heat 0
    stat_ground 0, 0, 0, 0
    stat_mental 7, disciplined, highly_trained
    stat_charge_dist 30
    stat_fire_delay 0
    stat_food 60, 300
    stat_cost 1, 30000, 4500, 30, 40, 30000
    ownership seleucid, slave


    This is one solution for better look's of siege equipment and for the worth of Money you spend on it, This is one suggestion that add's officer's, more man power and more siege pieces for ballista unit's.. Do, In vice versa method - you are lowering the attack value verses the more amoun't of siege pieces added in EDU. In ancient times, numbers of units very much greater in siege unit's and they had officer's - or you can consider them to be enginerires.. And it would solve prob I have when I have to give 4500 per turn just for couple of peasant's with two siege gun's






    Now, this looks like one siege :D
    Last edited by Maksimus; 12-11-2007 at 04:31.
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