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    How does one remove Phalanx formation and make all Phalanx units fight like spearmen? Also how would I go about turning basic warband into spearmen, as at present they seem to be a unit that is redundat once you can train swordsmen?

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    Default Re: Phalanxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Caravel
    How does one remove Phalanx formation and make all Phalanx units fight like spearmen? Also how would I go about turning basic warband into spearmen, as at present they seem to be a unit that is redundat once you can train swordsmen?

    First part is very easy.
    Open export_descr_unit.txt (in data folder) with notepad or similar (backup it before any change).
    Use the find option for phalanx and you will find lines like this one:
    Code:
    formation        1, 1, 2, 2, 8, square, phalanx
    Just delete the word phalanx (I'm not sure if the "," will produce any problem, so delete it too).
    That's all.

    For the second part, you cannot change the weapon of a unit, unless you modify the 3D model.

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    Monkwarrior is faster than me, anyway I'll add..
    How does one remove Phalanx formation and make all Phalanx units fight like spearmen?
    Open EDU, find unit's entry, and remove "phalanx'' atribute. Also remove short_pike or long_pike attr.

    Eg. Bronze shields entry
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    type east hoplite brazen shield
    dictionary bronze_shield ; Bronze Shields
    category infantry
    class spearmen
    voice_type Heavy_1
    soldier greek_bronxe_shield, 60, 0, 1
    officer east_heavy_standard
    attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, can_sap, hardy
    formation 1, 1, 2, 2, 8, square, phalanx
    stat_health 1, 0
    stat_pri 10, 4, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, piercing, spear, 25 ,1
    stat_pri_attr spear, long_pike, spear_bonus_8
    stat_sec 5, 3, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, sword, 25 ,1
    stat_sec_attr no
    stat_pri_armour 6, 6, 2, leather
    stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
    stat_heat 0
    stat_ground 2, 1, 0, -1
    stat_mental 8, disciplined, highly_trained
    stat_charge_dist 30
    stat_fire_delay 0
    stat_food 60, 300
    stat_cost 2, 690, 360, 70, 110, 690
    ownership pontus


    should be
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    type east hoplite brazen shield
    dictionary bronze_shield ; Bronze Shields
    category infantry
    class spearmen
    voice_type Heavy_1
    soldier greek_bronxe_shield, 60, 0, 1
    officer east_heavy_standard
    attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, can_sap, hardy
    formation 1, 1, 2, 2, 8, square
    stat_health 1, 0
    stat_pri 10, 4, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, piercing, spear, 25 ,1
    stat_pri_attr spear, spear_bonus_8
    stat_sec 5, 3, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, sword, 25 ,1
    stat_sec_attr no
    stat_pri_armour 6, 6, 2, leather
    stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
    stat_heat 0
    stat_ground 2, 1, 0, -1
    stat_mental 8, disciplined, highly_trained
    stat_charge_dist 30
    stat_fire_delay 0
    stat_food 60, 300
    stat_cost 2, 690, 360, 70, 110, 690
    ownership pontus


    Also how would I go about turning basic warband into spearmen,
    Eerr, you want phalanx? Than instead of this
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    type barb infantry gaul
    dictionary barb_infantry_gaul ; Warband
    category infantry
    class light
    voice_type Light_1
    soldier barb_infantry_longshield, 60, 0, 1.2
    officer barb_standard
    attributes sea_faring, hide_improved_forest, warcry
    formation 1.2, 1.2, 2.4, 2.4, 5, square
    stat_health 1, 0
    stat_pri 7, 4, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, spear, 25 ,0.73
    stat_pri_attr light_spear, spear_bonus_4
    stat_sec 0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 25 ,1
    stat_sec_attr no
    stat_pri_armour 3, 2, 5, leather
    stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
    stat_heat 3
    stat_ground 2, -2, 3, 2
    stat_mental 4, impetuous, untrained
    stat_charge_dist 40
    stat_fire_delay 0
    stat_food 60, 300
    stat_cost 1, 420, 200, 50, 70, 420
    ownership gauls

    make this
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    type barb infantry gaul
    dictionary barb_infantry_gaul ; Warband
    category infantry
    class light
    voice_type Light_1
    soldier barb_infantry_longshield, 60, 0, 1.2
    officer barb_standard
    attributes sea_faring, hide_improved_forest, warcry
    formation 1.2, 1.2, 2.4, 2.4, 5, square, phalanx
    stat_health 1, 0
    stat_pri 7, 4, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, spear, 25 ,0.73
    stat_pri_attr light_spear, short_pike, spear_bonus_4
    stat_sec 0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 25 ,1
    stat_sec_attr no
    stat_pri_armour 3, 2, 5, leather
    stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
    stat_heat 3
    stat_ground 2, -2, 3, 2
    stat_mental 4, impetuous, untrained
    stat_charge_dist 40
    stat_fire_delay 0
    stat_food 60, 300
    stat_cost 1, 420, 200, 50, 70, 420
    ownership gauls

    They will fight as small phalanx with charges, but I don't think it will increase their perfomance, you still need swordsmen.
    Or you can remove "short_pike" and they will be a phalanx (like vanilla german spearmen)

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    Default Re: Phalanxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Charge
    Monkwarrior is faster than me, anyway I'll add..
    But you are more precise than me.

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    Default Re: Phalanxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Monkwarrior
    First part is very easy.
    Open export_descr_unit.txt (in data folder) with notepad or similar (backup it before any change).
    Use the find option for phalanx and you will find lines like this one:
    Code:
    formation        1, 1, 2, 2, 8, square, phalanx
    Just delete the word phalanx (I'm not sure if the "," will produce any problem, so delete it too).
    That's all.

    For the second part, you cannot change the weapon of a unit, unless you modify the 3D model.

    Quote Originally Posted by Charge
    Monkwarrior is faster than me, anyway I'll add..
    Open EDU, find unit's entry, and remove "phalanx'' atribute. Also remove short_pike or long_pike attr.

    Eg. Bronze shields entry
    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

    type east hoplite brazen shield
    dictionary bronze_shield ; Bronze Shields
    category infantry
    class spearmen
    voice_type Heavy_1
    soldier greek_bronxe_shield, 60, 0, 1
    officer east_heavy_standard
    attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, can_sap, hardy
    formation 1, 1, 2, 2, 8, square, phalanx
    stat_health 1, 0
    stat_pri 10, 4, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, piercing, spear, 25 ,1
    stat_pri_attr spear, long_pike, spear_bonus_8
    stat_sec 5, 3, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, sword, 25 ,1
    stat_sec_attr no
    stat_pri_armour 6, 6, 2, leather
    stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
    stat_heat 0
    stat_ground 2, 1, 0, -1
    stat_mental 8, disciplined, highly_trained
    stat_charge_dist 30
    stat_fire_delay 0
    stat_food 60, 300
    stat_cost 2, 690, 360, 70, 110, 690
    ownership pontus


    should be
    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

    type east hoplite brazen shield
    dictionary bronze_shield ; Bronze Shields
    category infantry
    class spearmen
    voice_type Heavy_1
    soldier greek_bronxe_shield, 60, 0, 1
    officer east_heavy_standard
    attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, can_sap, hardy
    formation 1, 1, 2, 2, 8, square
    stat_health 1, 0
    stat_pri 10, 4, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, piercing, spear, 25 ,1
    stat_pri_attr spear, spear_bonus_8
    stat_sec 5, 3, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, sword, 25 ,1
    stat_sec_attr no
    stat_pri_armour 6, 6, 2, leather
    stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
    stat_heat 0
    stat_ground 2, 1, 0, -1
    stat_mental 8, disciplined, highly_trained
    stat_charge_dist 30
    stat_fire_delay 0
    stat_food 60, 300
    stat_cost 2, 690, 360, 70, 110, 690
    ownership pontus


    Eerr, you want phalanx? Than instead of this
    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

    type barb infantry gaul
    dictionary barb_infantry_gaul ; Warband
    category infantry
    class light
    voice_type Light_1
    soldier barb_infantry_longshield, 60, 0, 1.2
    officer barb_standard
    attributes sea_faring, hide_improved_forest, warcry
    formation 1.2, 1.2, 2.4, 2.4, 5, square
    stat_health 1, 0
    stat_pri 7, 4, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, spear, 25 ,0.73
    stat_pri_attr light_spear, spear_bonus_4
    stat_sec 0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 25 ,1
    stat_sec_attr no
    stat_pri_armour 3, 2, 5, leather
    stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
    stat_heat 3
    stat_ground 2, -2, 3, 2
    stat_mental 4, impetuous, untrained
    stat_charge_dist 40
    stat_fire_delay 0
    stat_food 60, 300
    stat_cost 1, 420, 200, 50, 70, 420
    ownership gauls

    make this
    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

    type barb infantry gaul
    dictionary barb_infantry_gaul ; Warband
    category infantry
    class light
    voice_type Light_1
    soldier barb_infantry_longshield, 60, 0, 1.2
    officer barb_standard
    attributes sea_faring, hide_improved_forest, warcry
    formation 1.2, 1.2, 2.4, 2.4, 5, square, phalanx
    stat_health 1, 0
    stat_pri 7, 4, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, spear, 25 ,0.73
    stat_pri_attr light_spear, short_pike, spear_bonus_4
    stat_sec 0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 25 ,1
    stat_sec_attr no
    stat_pri_armour 3, 2, 5, leather
    stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
    stat_heat 3
    stat_ground 2, -2, 3, 2
    stat_mental 4, impetuous, untrained
    stat_charge_dist 40
    stat_fire_delay 0
    stat_food 60, 300
    stat_cost 1, 420, 200, 50, 70, 420
    ownership gauls

    They will fight as small phalanx with charges, but I don't think it will increase their perfomance, you still need swordsmen.
    Or you can remove "short_pike" and they will be a phalanx (like vanilla german spearmen)
    Well I was hoping to turn the spear warband which have the phalanx ability into spearmen without phalanx, if possible? Also I wanted the regular Warbands to be more like Spearmen, better defenders, but not Phalanx.
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    Default Re: Phalanxes

    I don't understand, they're armed with spears, therefore they are spearmen?

    As for the other remove the phalanx and short pike atributes, then tweak the attack and defense stats (vannila I assume, so you won't have to worry about lethality) to rebalance them.
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