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    Default Strategic Fundamentals in team play

    In a typical battle both sides will skirmish with ranged units to reduce the firepower of the opposing side. If one side takes too many ranged units, the answer to that is to attack with melee units. If one side takes too many melee units, the answer to that is to skirmish with ranged units as much as possible. How much is too much ranged or melee has to be determined by experience. Through experience, players will find an optimum mixture of ranged and melee units which means that neither of the two options for attacking is viable. That is you can't win the skirmish against your opponent decisively, and you can't charge successfully. A team game offers another attacking strategy which is to send more units against one of the opponents than he can handle.

    In a basic 2v2 situation, suppose you have C and D attackers and X and Y defenders:

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    If C attacks X, D can assist C and delay attacking Y:

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    If Y moves to assist X, then D should attack Y. It's important that D's main army be close enough to Y to effectively counter Y's move. The D player has to control the units that are assisting the attack on X, and also keep an eye on Y for any sign of movement.
    Last edited by Puzz3D; 11-08-2007 at 17:40.

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    Default Re: Strategic Fundamentals in team play

    When in a defensive posture, mirror the enemy's moves unless an alternate plan has been established. For example with A, B, C attacking and X, Y, Z defending:

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    Defenders adjust to counter the attacker's maneuver to overload a flank:

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    ........XXXXXXXX............YYYYYYY..........YZZZZZZZZZZ
    ...................................................................................XX....YY

    In this case, Z effectively takes responsibility for one of the B units and Y for one of the C units. X and Y have to watch for additional moves by A and B, and react to them. If A and B make a major move to the defender's right, Y should not consider A to be his opponent because that will result in Z being doubled by B and C. Even if X and Y double and rout A, that will not compensate for all of Z + the X and Y units on the right being routed.
    Last edited by Puzz3D; 11-12-2007 at 19:56.

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    Default Re: Strategic Fundamentals in team play

    Quote Originally Posted by Puzz3D
    When in a defensive posture, mirror the enemy's moves unless an alternate plan has been established. For example with A, B, C attacking and X, Y, Z defending:

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    XXXXXXXXXX...........YYYYYYYYYY...........ZZZZZZZZZZ


    Defenders adjust to counter the attacker's maneuver to overload a flank:

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    ........AAAAAAAA...........BBBBBBB..........CCCCCCCCCCB


    ........XXXXXXXX...........YYYYYYY.........YZZZZZZZZZZ
    ...................................................................................XX....YY
    Alternatively the following is another possible counter to the same situation. One that is more active rather than reactive.


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    XXXX...XXXXXXYY..Y.......YYYYYYY.....ZZZ
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    Where rather than mirrorring the move of the opposing team, XYZ team will try to overwhelm army A before Z gets overwhelmed, relying on local superiority against A while at the same time Z stays backwards avoiding combat so that it denies the local superiority team ABC local has against Z.

    In this situation, as it will take longer for the 'extra' forces from ABC to travel towards Z than it does for the 'extra' forces from XYZ, team XYZ should be able to overwhelm A before Z gets overwhelmed.
    Last edited by Tempiic; 11-19-2007 at 19:52.

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    Default Re: Strategic Fundamentals in team play

    When in a defensive posture a classic maneuver is to deny the flank as indicated by Tempiic. For example with A, B, C attacking and X, Y, Z defending:

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    XXXXXXXXXX...........YYYYYYYYYY...........ZZZZZZZZ ZZ


    Defenders adjust to counter the attacker's maneuver to overload a flank by Z denying the flank which reduces the distance that X and Y reinforcements have to travel:

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    ........XXXXXXXX...........YYYYYYYY..........ZZZ
    .................................................. ......XX.....ZZZ
    .................................................................YY....ZZ
    .............................................................................ZZ


    Al more sophisticated maneuver is for Z to countermarch in the face of the attack so that C's right flank becomes exposed to counter attack by X and Y:

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    ........XXXXXXXX...........YYYYYYY..Y--->C
    ..................................................X---->CCCCCCCCCB
    ...........................................................ZZZZZZZZ.........AA
    ..........................................................................X.ZZ.......BB
    ....................................................................................YY
    Last edited by Puzz3D; 05-05-2008 at 18:17.

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    Default Re: Strategic Fundamentals in team play

    Is it possible however to just, say, in a 3v3, break the middle of your opposing team, and take out the other two players?




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    Default Re: Strategic Fundamentals in team play

    Quote Originally Posted by {BHC}AntiWarmanCake88
    Is it possible however to just, say, in a 3v3, break the middle of your opposing team, and take out the other two players?
    Yes, but there has to be a weakness in the center that you can take advantage of to force a breakthrough.

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    Default Re: Strategic Fundamentals in team play

    Quote Originally Posted by Puzz3D
    Yes, but there has to be a weakness in the center that you can take advantage of to force a breakthrough.

    Yea. I had times when I broke the middle, but my allies were were to busy with the flanks and ran into the problems and could not spare troops to help me, so I could not outflank them, the middle reform with help of their allies, and smash though me.

    Just need to find that weakness, beat though it, and follow up it fast so the allies of the middle person do not have time to help him fight you off.

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