Why do certain players think that some factions are underpowered?

[TWFanatic]

Well what Long Lost Caesar posted is a prime example: dissapointment. He was dissapointed about the Iosatae; I on the other hand think they are the single best slinger unit of the entire game. I find the Balearic slingers to be dissapointing - I guess someone else thinks them to be the very best.

Not enough ammo for the dough they cost IMHO. Remember though lads, this type of thing can always be edited!

[Tellos Athenaios]

On the other hand they eat enemy cavalry alive (including most medium cavalry and generals), and they can make very, very short work of Gaesatae indeed.

[Sakkura]

On the other hand they eat enemy cavalry alive (including most medium cavalry and generals), and they can make very, very short work of Gaesatae indeed.

Gaesatae don't have much armor. You're better off using archers against them.

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Gaesatae don't have much armor. You're better off using archers against them.

archers and slingers have the same attack value (barring the elite ones and composite bows and whatnot), and slingers have longer range, so archers really aren't better

[Sakkura]

archers and slingers have the same attack value (barring the elite ones and composite bows and whatnot), and slingers have longer range, so archers really aren't better

Comparing iaosatae (Celtic slingers) to sotaroas (Celtic archers), the archers have 3 attack while the slingers have 2 attack. You do lose some range and ammo, but since the archers cost far, far less (about half as much IIRC, the unit cards unfortunately aren't updated with the price in 1.0) they give more dead naked dudes per mnai.

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Comparing iaosatae (Celtic slingers) to sotaroas (Celtic archers), the archers have 3 attack while the slingers have 2 attack. You do lose some range and ammo, but since the archers cost far, far less (about half as much IIRC, the unit cards unfortunately aren't updated with the price in 1.0) they give more dead naked dudes per mnai.

I haven't calculated any cost-effectiveness or anything like that but slingers always seem to kill significantly more for me, no matter what the target

[Mouzafphaerre]

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Archers can shoot fire arrows, which are good for Casse General BBQ.
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[konny]

Gaesatae don't have much armor. You're better off using archers against them.

They have 5 armour, what makes them one of the best armoured units in the early Celtic army. Against them you need AP missles to achieve a visible effect (slingers, pila)

[Maksimus]

Agreed.. on Gaesatae example we can all see that some factions are 'very well balanced'..
And I just won't start with command atribute that is efective and in motion for 'some' faction with a strong loby in EB team

[Spendios]

Agreed.. on Gaesatae example we can all see that some factions are 'very well balanced'..
And I just won't start with command atribute that is efective and in motion for 'some' faction with a strong loby in EB team

blah blah blah if you have so much problems with the comand attribute why don't you just remove it from your game ?

[Maksimus]

'blah blah blah ...'

Very nice..
Still I won't take it personal, my 'command' 'blah blah' is only here because I would like to see EB 1 even better

Still.. No, I will not remove my 'command' atribute from some Celt units, because I respect the first intention of making them unique

But, after EB 1.1 I will just add that atribute to some other faction units

...by the way....
can you *bump* some dates? like before or after new year.. I understand it it is an 'embargo' issue

be well my EB friend

[Sakkura]

They have 5 armour, what makes them one of the best armoured units in the early Celtic army. Against them you need AP missles to achieve a visible effect (slingers, pila)

Dude, 5 armor is nothing compared to the armor of the Romani or Lusotannan. AP will only make a difference of 2.5 attack (assuming you fire from a direction the shield doesn't cover), which is far from enough to make up for the loss of attack and the far higher cost of the slingers. At least for the Celtic slingers.

[konny]

Dude, 5 armor is nothing compared to the armor of the Romani or Lusotannan.

Neither Romans nor Lusotannians fight for the Arverni or Aedui. Compare the Gaesatae with the rest of their "Freemen" units and you will see that they are really a heavy unit for these factions.

[Sakkura]

Neither Romans nor Lusotannians fight for the Arverni or Aedui. Compare the Gaesatae with the rest of their "Freemen" units and you will see that they are really a heavy unit for these factions.

I'm comparing to their near-neighbors, since those are among the factions they are likely to end up fighting. And when it comes to choosing between an extra 1.5 attack or nearly twice as many missile troops (for the same price), I know what I would choose. The slingers are better suited to fighting the Romans than to fighting their fellow Celts, where archers will usually be more cost-effective.

[Michaelis]

They have 5 armour, what makes them one of the best armoured units in the early Celtic army. Against them you need AP missles to achieve a visible effect (slingers, pila)

I'm blown away. From the post quoted above, and one earlier on in this thread, I surmise that in EB, slingers use armour piercing projectiles and archers do not. Is this really true? Please tell me it isn't, that I got things wrong, because it should be exactly the other way around.

[Sakkura]

I'm blown away. From the post quoted above, and one earlier on in this thread, I surmise that in EB, slingers use armour piercing projectiles and archers do not. Is this really true? Please tell me it isn't, that I got things wrong, because it should be exactly the other way around.

It is true. Sling bullets generally fare better against armored opponents than arrows, although of course there are many variables involved.

[Michaelis]

It is true. Sling bullets generally fare better against armored opponents than arrows, although of course there are many variables involved.

I think this is absolutely insane. Sling shot better against armour than a metal arrowhead? Could you give me one good reason why? On second thoughts, don't bother - no matter what I hear, I guess if I'm ever to play EB again, I'll have to painstakingly go through all the slinger/archer units and edit that.

[Sakkura]

IMO Iaosatae are too expensive. Lowly accensi are better compared to the cost, unless you really need to cram the best possible army into the limit for a stack.