Why do certain players think that some factions are underpowered?

**Danest** · 11-19-2007, 18:12

I didn't say that ALL bows were weenies, only that many were, such as those awful toxotai hellenic archers (what, like a 2 attack or something like that, without AP?) ... ick. So those are probably the ones that the original poster was complaining about. The stronger composite bows fare better than slings against no-armor troops such as the nubian spearmen, in my experience.

**Intranetusa** · 11-19-2007, 21:16

Those Yuehzi horse archers should use fairly powerful bows - they would've used something similar to the Hun/Xiongnu bows and would've almost been as powerful as the ungodly Mongolian composite recurved reflex bow.

**NeoSpartan** · 11-19-2007, 22:21

---Pissed off, angry post directed to Michaelis
---content of the post for everyone else.

IF you paid attention to the game you will see arrows kill MORE UNARMORED guys than slingers.

BUT heavily armored guys like Cataphacts (sp) tend to take a more casualties against slingers. Not a whole lot, about 10 dead horsies for ALL the sling shots (yes all munition was used, tested by me and madmatg).

WHY?? Because the armor can stop the arrows from piercing but the slings can cause consusions and blunt trauma.

Those are the 2 extremes, with inbetween armor units its going to vary. Normaly guys with 9 armor took about the same casualties of Celtic Singers and Cretians back in .81 when slingers HAD MORE AMMO and a little HIGHER attack.

p.s Pissed off post directed to Michaelis

**Thaatu** · 11-20-2007, 13:27

Michaelis, now you've done it. One thing you should learn is not to piss off NeoSpartan! You have no idea what he's like when he's mad.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

**Tellos Athenaios** · 11-20-2007, 14:56

And you better keep yourself in check should it be Halloween or close to it: he is quoted to go Gaesatae at those moments....

Anyway now for the more serious remark I intended to make before Thaatu distracted me with the memories of slightly disturbing threads

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Based on my own gameplay experience:
-archers tend to be very effective on their own compared to slingers;
-two units (or preferably more) of slinger firing at targets from different angles make for a more effective combination than two archer units doing the same;
-the combination of flaming arrows (the arrows causes massive moral drops) + sling bullets (nearly every bullet equals a hit, equals a potential kill) is particularly powerful against armour or against massed crowds (i.e. on bridges, in the streets);
-flaming arrows are rather devastating against lightly armed enemies; but from time to time (mostly when they got *big* shields) you will do better without the flames;
-slingers are particularly good against units with *big* shields.