Pontic bodyguards overpowered?

[Zarax]

This is not a flame post or a provocation in any way.
After playing a pontic campaign in 1.0 I feel that their BG became from severely undepowered to overpowered at least in some respect.
I could basically conquer the first two cities with two bodyguard units and then sending a militia to keep the city from revolting.
After that I could still demolish half stacks of enemy units (M/M) with the same two bodyguards...

I know that the kinsment are supposed to be a quite good heavy cavalry but aren't they a bit over the top right now?

[abou]

Their charge value is a bit too high... that or other cavalry is too low. We have a couple of things planned for cavalry for the next release.

[Treverer]

@ Zarax: if you haven't already, try a 1.0 Pontic campaign on H/M. T'is a bit harder in the run, believe me. EDIT: ... and you're happy to have them.

T.

[Watchman]

Whatever their charge value might be, the current main issue with the Eastern Early Bodyguards is that their armour is for some reason 23 - which is what those Hai late bodyguard catas get...

Small wonder they're kinda excessively hardcore.

Given that the normal Eastern Heavy Cav has armour like 16, and the only equipement-related difference between those guys and the BGs is that the latter ride a fully barded horse instead of a half-bard one, the correct value ought to be something like 17 instead.

Mind you, properly used they're still just as crazy lethal as any other BG cav. I've on occasion demolished decent-sized Eleutheroi stacks with just one FM.

[Zarax]

What's scary about them is that I can take on spearmen with ease and melee with gaesatae (of course not without heavy losses) and still not loose my generals...
That said, they will be extremely handy now that AS decided that I was an easy target...
They already lost their first 2/3 stack against me and now they will have to face my main army that is gonna be redirected from sieging Pergamom to Ipsos and Sardis.

[pezhetairoi]

On Hayasdan my army was composed of 6 family members, and those did all the work.

[artavazd]

On Hayasdan my army was composed of 6 family members, and those did all the work.

Heavy cav was the specialty of the Armenians. I think their GB should be hardcore.

[globobo lord of the bones]

i still miss the old guys ! they looked very cool !

[Pharnakes]

Damn!

Why can't this thread have been 3 months old?

Well, never mind, here goes:

[Zarax]

Err, the post never left page 1 and I believe it was a legitimate question...

[Thaatu]

Don't mind it. You see Pharnakes was just itching to use that card and couldn't wait any longer.

[Zarax]

Hope you don't mind me hijacking this thread, I'm also curious about the pontic factional objectives.
I can understand the bosphoran sea conquest and around Anatolia, but having them to conquer the eastern adriatic isn't as logical imho.

Overall it's an area larger than the later ERE, quite ambitious for such a small faction...

[Watchman]

Isn't it based on the kingdom's maximum size under Mithridates XYZ back when his gambit for regional superpowerhood was still going well and hadn't yet ran into the rather major log of the Roman empire and its somewhat idiosyncratic approach to any and all challengers ?

[Treverer]

@ Zaraz:

I'm wondering too. Especially if you compare where the gov2 areas are ...

T.

[Zarax]

Isn't it based on the kingdom's maximum size under Mithridates XYZ back when his gambit for regional superpowerhood was still going well and hadn't yet ran into the rather major log of the Roman empire and its somewhat idiosyncratic approach to any and all challengers ?

That would account for mainland greece and maybe part of macedon, not the whole eastern half of the adriatic sea...

[Treverer]

What I forgot to post before:

the pontic V.C. regions in Europe (save for the Polish/Northern Ukrainian & Austrian provinces) are pretty identical to the maximum (European) extense of the Ottoman Empire in the late 16th/beginning 17th century, IIRC.

T.

[Pharnakes]

Is that relevant in anyway, or just an aside?

[Treverer]

Is that relevant in anyway, or just an aside?

Guess, t'is more of an aside. Well, I do know that much of (real life) Pontic expansion plans, but I have a good memory for (historical) maps.

It would be nice if one of EB-team could give an explanation about the Pontic V.C. regions & V.C./gov2 regions.

T.