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    For EB creators and those powerfull members that make the finall Yes

    Ok.. let's go

    First, I am playing Epeiros and I would like if Epeiros could use baracks of Macedonia because I like the unit options for Pella that I won't use because of time spent in investing .. so I invest in economy there..see? .. And Is it possible that you make MediumPhalanx enabled to build in Epeiros? I only have Elite and Native now.. Basiclly I am loosing my plans without medium.. Realy..They are effective and they cost lesser..

    Second.. and this is a generall proposition.. I think it would be nice if you would enabled Army and Royal Barracks to most Factions at the start.. but making the building time for them 100% longer.. So in that way no one would actually hava an option to build Elite units unless he is rich .. Wich takes time..

    But it would be very nice to have Elite Phalanx to build after you sack an enemy city? Yes? So in that way.. the gamer would have at least one Elite unit that ciould boost his Campaign Morall.. this way, many don't even get to elites before they start a new campaign..

    And actually I realy belive it would be very good for play if there are just a bit more elephants in the Successors armies.. .. Right now.. we can got as far as India and not to see one.. am I wrong?..

    And, I will finish with this .. I think it would be very good if you can use enemy barracks (like - Ptolomei to use Epeiros) to some ponit.. Like, If I gain as Aegypt .. a Macedonian Royal Barracks - I could train some Native Phalanx and Lower-valued Cavalry - but not Elites- if I would like to train elites than .. yes, I would have to build my own from the start..

    What do you think?
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    Default Re: Just some small suggestions ;)

    About Pezhetairoi, in 0.81 they were available in Ambrakia, but they were removed in this version. I don't know exactly why, except that Pezhetairoi represent Macedonian foot companions, who probably didn't settle in Epirus. That being said, mainland Epirus has weaker phalangites than other successors, and you should change your tactics, not the recruitment areas, accordingly. An Epirote player should make more use of his Illyrian and other non-hellenistic units, until he annexes Macedonia.

    The reason why you haven't encountered elephants could be that you conquered Antioch too soon. That, India and Bactria are the only places where Seleucids can recruit them.

    About the shared barracks, I thought using them was kind of a cheat/exploit..? Can't tell for sure.

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    Default Re: Just some small suggestions ;)

    And, I will finish with this .. I think it would be very good if you can use enemy barracks (like - Ptolomei to use Epeiros) to some ponit.. Like, If I gain as Aegypt .. a Macedonian Royal Barracks - I could train some Native Phalanx and Lower-valued Cavalry - but not Elites- if I would like to train elites than .. yes, I would have to build my own from the start..
    I believe this happens already. And truth be told, the Pezhetairoi that Pyrrhos took with him in Italia were Makedonians (and mercs). I am not sure how the recruitment changed, but I am sure there was a reason for it to change.


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    Default Re: Just some small suggestions ;)

    Quote Originally Posted by Maksimus
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    I am playing Epeiros and I would like if Epeiros could use baracks of Macedonia because I like the unit options for Pella that I won't use because of time spent in investing .. so I invest in economy there..see? .. And Is it possible that you make MediumPhalanx enabled to build in Epeiros? I only have Elite and Native now.. Basiclly I am loosing my plans without medium.. Realy..They are effective and they cost lesser..
    Dear sir, the Epirote starting position is IMHO already very strong, at least for a Human player. Consider the mines of Pella & Dalminion, too.

    Here's my point of view, why I consider the Epirote starting postion very strong:
    - Pyrrhus and his army can conquer both Makedonia and Thessalia in turn one, thanks to the Elephantes Indikoi.
    - After disbanding both the Elephantes and the Petekoterei (spelling ?), the budget is balanced. Both Pella and Dalminion have most valuable mines and more mines are in the vincinity. All modern-day Greece/Albania provinces have/can have ports, thus allowing the profitable sea trade.
    - Makedonia and KH are at war with each other, giving Epiros some time to consolidate and to prepare for the complete conquest of Hellas.
    - Taras can either be defended by building stone walls, by recruiting Archer/Slingers and by replacing the Hoplites units with Levy Phalanxes. Alternativly it can be abandoned by dispanding all the units and by destroying all the buildings, the later giving a lot of mnai to the budget.
    - The gov-buildings provide nice boni with acceptable mali.
    Now, adding the Pezhetairoi to Ambrakia's unit rooster would strenghten Epiros further more, both when played by a Human or the AI. IMHO the actual distribution of units offers us players enough possibilies for early (and easy) conquests.

    Yours,
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    P.S. I'm actually playing a Epirote campaign on H/M, and even a "Terrible Tactician" like me had no problem in conquering Hellas by turn 20-24. By turn 100, KH's long dead, Makedonia's still reduced to Lesbos and Epiros is on the offensive in Italy ...
    Last edited by Treverer; 11-15-2007 at 12:04.
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    Default Re: Just some small suggestions ;)

    TBH, I have never really understood why Maks is aligned with Baktria and KH with Epiros.

    Surely it would make more sense to have Maks and Epirotes share, and then the Baktrains and the KH could share, if it was needed to conserve building slots. Afterall, they are the only two factions who use classical and iphracratean hoplites as part of their factional rooster.
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    Default Re: Just some small suggestions ;)

    @ Treverer

    Uh, sorry but...did you say Epeiros could conquer both Pella and -Thessaloniki-? o.o


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    Default Re: Just some small suggestions ;)

    Quote Originally Posted by pezhetairoi
    @ Treverer

    Uh, sorry but...did you say Epeiros could conquer both Pella and -Thessaloniki-? o.o
    Ooops, thank you for pointing me to that stupid error. I've corrected it.
    Towards the end of the book, the Moties quote an old story from Herodotus:

    "Once there was a thief who was to be executed. As he was taken away he made a bargain with the king: In one year he would teach the king's favorite horse to sing hymns."
    "The other prisoners watched the thief singing to the horse and laughed. 'You will not succeed,' they told him. 'No one can.' To which the thief replied, 'I have a year, and who knows what will happen in that time. The king might die. The horse might die. I might die. And perhaps the horse will learn to sing.'"

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    Ok.
    Main of my post was about.. exploatation of opponents barracks.. so you can't just boost your budget by destroying it - you will need to plan carefully.. That is first main thing i wanted to state

    And the second and most important is to make army barracks available at the start for successor states and to make option of them to share their buildings.

    Still, I don't think I have made myself clear - I was refering (if not to share the barracks) then to at least make some lower-end units available in enemies barracks to built..

    So if I take Pella that has army barracks I would have an option to destroy them and build my own or to use them to some extent..
    And it would be nice if you could use enemy barracks 'full' after you build your goverment? No?
    Last edited by Maksimus; 11-16-2007 at 10:08.
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