17 Centruy IH

[Warluster]

We have been threatened with war, we do not take it lightly that Brandenburg wishes to throw aroudn such a threat so lightly. We are warning you off, to reduce the threat of war. Such a war would benefit none.

[Csargo]

Only if you threaten the German states.

[Warluster]

But we haven't, have we? In fact, we have done completely the opposite by guaranteing the continued exsistence of the German States. Why threaten US with War when you should be threatening nations like Spain who openly lust for war?

[Csargo]

I said if you meddle in German affairs I would be resistant to you, if not then there will be no interference by me.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Remember, if you buy any Mercs from the Swiss, you have to tell me about it. I want to include them in the story of course .


Bopa, I got your PM, I'll look around for some good Books. I do have a god Samurai Ospey book I think it is, but I checky for Ospey Swiss Books also

[Northnovas]

To the nations of Europe.

The peoples of the Swiss Confederation wish to make this statement.

That in the event of any war between the great powers of Europe we shall stay neutral and continue the trade of goods between the nations. We shall accept requests for loans from any country which needs them, if payment is not met, then our armies will.

We shall hire out regiments of our men to those we deem needing of their services.

We wish all nations to agree to thie proposal for the good of Europe.

The Tsar of Russia acknowledges the Swiss Confederation's neutrality and openly accepts the offer of trade between our countries.

Alexis

[Caius]

You, Carlos, are obviously the murderer, openly wanting war but accusing other nations of nonexsistant things. We also wish to warn Brandenburg off.

I consider this as an insult! How can you dare? You are killing my people, and, as a reminder, you have MY lands. I'm publically claiming that I want those lands back. Sadly, our soldiers rest in peace. YOUR AMBITION OF TERRITORIES HAVE DONE A LOT OF DAMAGE TO OUR COUNTRY.

Why threaten US with War when you should be threatening nations like Spain who openly lust for war?

Because YOU want to CONQUER lands that ARENT yours.

Then, I call for any people of my country (and others also) to join this war. We have been DESTROYED. My country is damaged, and only if You, Lord Louis XIV The Liar, are going to pay for the destruction done by YOUR country to mine, then your soldiers won't see blood.

Carlos II de España

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Hmmm... There was no Kingdom of Prussia at that time - if Brandenburg declares it is becomes one Poland would see it as declaration of war because legally speaking Kingdom of Prussia would be a successor of eutonic Order so would threaten Polish possessions in Pomerelia ( Danzig, Thorn/Torun etc.) called Royal Prussia at that time.

About the rest I won't speak, but the Ottomans, Poland and probably Russia have just commited suicide.

Hmmm.... Intersting News Cegorach .

[Warluster]

Carlos, what damage? This is absolute nonsense, you are kicking up wet dust. I never said I have territorial ambitions, and we have not been to war for perhaps 20 years now. I am not going to pay for anything, Carlos the Accuser.

Lous XIV, King of France, Duke of Bourbon, King of the Two Sicilies, Duke of parma, DUke of Seville, Grand Duke of Luxembourg,

[Incongruous]

To peoples of Europe.

The Swiss Confederation wishes to make this declaration.

We urge that all Europeans in an effort to expand our markets and increase profits turn all attention to the Barbarian Hordes of Osman. We must take the Islands of the Middle sea and make it a European trading zone.

We must gain control of the Egyptian canal way and thuse gain control of our own Indian and Oriental route.

The possibilities for wealth and trade are immense.

We would be willing to send a large well trained force to the command of any ruler who wuld take up these challnges along with a large yearly payment In purpose of guarenteeing us a large share in the profits.

THE SWISS

[Kalle]

We must gain control of the Egyptian canal way and thuse gain control of our own Indian and Oriental route.

Sorry to meddle in a thing im not involved in i.e. this thread but I look around sometimes and had to react on this.

The landlocked Swiss are apparantly very enthusiastic about shipping through the Suez canal?? Or do you mean some other canal?? If Suez canal I dont think it existed at all either in the 17th or 18th century, maybe as a vision among some colonial/trading powers but hardly even that.

Kalle

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Hey,

Remember, I need decsions by Friday (but I will push deadline by a few days if needed). I got alot of them expect for a few.

[Ayachuco]

From the offices of the States General,

I, Johan de Witt, as Grand Pensionary of the United Provinces of the Netherlands and with the approval of the States General will sever trade rights with Norway and declare war on the Kingdom of Denmark. We will also recruit 2500 mercenaries for use in our war with the Danes.

I also acknowledges the Swiss Confederation's neutrality in all European conflicts and will honor their pledge. Although my nation would also want to acquire a shorter sea route to the Orient, I am still not able to declare war on the Ottomans, yet. However, perhaps the King of Spain can convince me otherwise.

King Carlos II of Spain, although our histories with one another have been filled with war and suffering on both sides, I would like to extend an offer of alliance to you and help guarantee the Spanish Netherland's independence from the greedy French monarchy's imperial crown. We would like to have a buffer zone between the French nation and ours and you, King Carlos, cannot afford the loss of your territories in the Netherlands for there are rumors that the riches of your New Spain colonies have begun to dissipate. Our previous reasons for dispute and war (the legitimacy of your rule in the Northern Netherlands and subsequent division of the area) has now become beneficial for my nation. We do not believe the French King's promise of a better and peaceful Europe. Have not anyone noticed how he relishes in declaring his ownerships of other lands and land he conquered from King Carlos II's father, (Philip IV)? Perhaps by peace, King Louie means to conquer all of Europe and establish a peace imposed by his imperial and despotic scepter and spread the blue and the fleur-de-lis across the continent.
On a final note, I feel your pain for our nation has also been damaged (by your grandfather and father, of course ), but we were able to rebuild and become a better nation. And with an alliance and trading rights with our country perhaps you will do the same also, King Carlos of Spain.

Johan de Witt
Grand Pensionary of the United Provinces of the Netherlands

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

We are sadded to see The United Netherlands and Sweden wanting us to renouce our claims over Norway, and Netherlands declaring war on us. We will defend our right to rule Norway and Denmark, and we will not listen to the Netherlands,or Sweden. We also will tell Leopold I of Austria/HRE to mind his own business.



King Frederick III, King of Denmark and King of Norway

[Julian the apostate]

Denmark. The time comes for you to decide what matters to you. Your pride or your life and those of your people? We Swedes accept any and every Danish soldier who leaves Freddrick like brothers. We are one people to be united together.

king Charles XI

Do what you believe is right but remember, you cannot win this war so why fight?

[Caius]

Johan de Witt,

I'm very grateful of your help in this matter. We can be allies. Unleash the army.

I can't wait to rename my part of France to Francia Hispana. France have to be taken down.

[woad&fangs]

Transylvania is currently recruiting militiamen while we wait for our crusading allies to arrive and assist in lifting the siege of Varad. Godspeed to our Christian bretheran.

Gyorgi Rakosci II

[MaddenKhan2]

Just Hold out Transylvania, We are rushing to your aid! We will not let the Ottomans take your freedom!



Leopold I of Austrian/Holy Roman Empire

[Incongruous]

The Swiss Confederation.

We once again urge the Rulers of Civilized nations from fighting one another, and instead turn their swords upon the Turks.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

If I am correct, I still need decsions:

Swiss
English
Tranvyianla



I double check again though

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Chapter 2, The Blast of the Cannons….....

This Turn Takes Place From Januray 1660 untill July 1660 (6 months)

The Blast of Cannons are ringing out at Varad, as a reinforced 45,000 Man Turkish Force, Which consist of 25,000 Elite Janissaries, a massive number of elite Heavy Cavlary (10,000 Siphas), 6,000 Ottoman Levies, and a surpsing number of people from Wallachia,Molvadia and Transvyaina that join the Turkish army on their own accord (and some was force to), 4,000 Trans/Wallachia/Moldavia Levies and 18 Cannons. The Garrsion in Varad are now relief to see a Garrsion Force Coming their way. It Takes 2 Months for the Relief Force to Pair up, but only a matter of Weeks before they reach the town. 40,000 Russians, under a New Russian Field Marshal, 10,000 Austrians Lead by Leopold I Himself, and 12,500 Polish and 5,000 Transyvianlies. Austrian Force Consits of 500 Swiss Pikemen Mercs and 500 Austrian Cavalry as Leopold’s Bodyguard, 8,000 Austrian Inftray, and another 1,000 Austrian Cavalry and 2 Cannons. Russian Army has 30,000 Inftray, and 10,000 Cavalry and 3 Cannons. Trans Army has all Cavalary,mostly light, but some heavy cav, and 1 cannon, and the Polish Army Has 6,250 Polish Hussars and 6,250 Infrtray and 4 cannons. The Whole Relief Force is total at 67,500 Troops and 10 Cannons. The Battles takes place outside of Varad on March 21 1660. The Austrians and Trans forces charges first, with all Polish Inf strking from the flanks. The Ottomans starts to fall back, only to send it a reserve force of 5,000 Janserries and 5,000 Siphas to reinforce the lines, but they have no more reinforcements. The Russians seeing this, Send their own entire force into the fight. The Polish, Also send in their 6,250 Hussars, and Leopold I leads his 500 Austrian Cavalry and 500 Swiss Pikemen down the hill, slamming into the Turks. After 14 hours of Fighting, Varad is Save, but With High Costs. 20,000 Turks Lay dead on the Field, and 10,000 are captured. 10,000 Relief Force Troops plus 1,000 troops from the garrison are dead, with 1,000 Austrians and 250 Polish and 50 Austrians Captured. The Ottoman and Russian Generals are dead on the Field. Leopold I is slighty wounded, and The Polish Field Marshal is ok. The Russian Stay in Varad to defend it, While the Austrians and Polish withdraw to their respective countries to join other parts of their armies in the massive invasion.

Meanwhile in the north, The Russians are sending 40,000 Troops to stay off the Polish Border on Garrsion Duty as they both argeed upon. Then The Russians are sending 15,000 Troops east of the Black Sea to take Batumi and Trazabon. Batumi falls without a fight, but the Russians get Ambush at Trazabon and loses 3,000 Troops, and the other 12,000 Falls back to Batumi.50,000 Russians are also heading to Burgas. Russian Army also retrucits 4,000 Inf and 1,000 Cavalary.


In the Ottoman Held Terroity however, things are looking not so good. A 2,000 Men Swiss Army, being joined by 8,000 Troops from the Pope and 1,000 Bavarians and 1,000 Veince, march into Bihac, a Ottoman Town, by accident on the way to join the relief force. In Apirl 8th, the 2,000 Man Garrsion, all Turkish Janserries, storied out and surprised the 12,000 Man force which had a nice size cannons, 15 cannons, and almost broke them, until the Swiss Muskets open up,killing many Turks, and the Swiss Pikemen Fell Into Place. The Turkish Garrsion was Massarced, while All the Veince Troops died,since they was in a massive rout, and 200 Swiss Died and 1,000 Papel Troops Died. Bihac is now Garrsion with 10,8000 Troops.



A 10,000 Austrian Force, and 10,000 Prussians make their way to Gran, and get there in Late March, when the Varad battle is going on. But They Get ambush also, and fall back. A 15,000 Janserriy Force, with 5,00 Siphas and 30 cannons attack them on the Austrian/Turkisj Border, but on March 28th, the Turks fall back after losing 6,000 troops and 2,000 caputed. 2,000 Prussians are killed and 2,500 Austrians died also.


In Other War News, a 10,000 Man Spanish force attacks Bouissillon, regaining it from French Control without a Fight. However, When they attack Toulouse, they are met by a Thin Line of 10,000 French Men in that section of Toulouse. They, the Spanish, are about to break their line, when 5,000 French Reserves, plus another 5,000 from another part of Toulouse, leaving that part undefened, rushes to it aid, and push the Spanish Back. The Spanish Lose 4,000 Troops, and the French Caputred 1,000 Spanish. The French lost 5,000 Troops, and had 2,000 of their troops Captured. The Remaining Spanish are Falling back to their new gain terroity in Boissiillion.

The German States are becoming worried with the Finacial Plobelms Leopold I of Austria is having, but they are also worried about the French meddling. Some German States are remaining Loyal to Leopold I, some are suprising leading to the French, and the rest of taking up of a Prussia Favour. The Pope Is Also defending his Riverways with 10 ships he recenetly built.



The Pope is Sending Troops to Rome and Naples, spending money to get more Swiss Guards. He is Also building 5 more Churches in Rome and other places, and They are buying Naples and Sicliy from Spain.

The Swiss are building a Grand Gunsmith in Bern and a Mitliarty Academy of Learning also.

The Prussians are upgrading the defenes for Konigsberg and Berlin. They are also building a Gunmill. They will also retruict 5,000 troops.




Prussia:

1. You have 8,000 Troops on the Austrian Border with their 7,500 troops guarding the border. What do you plan to do with your troops now? You Also captured 1,000 Turks, with the Austrians Taking 1,000. What will you do with the Turks?


2. Your Population is happy you taking part in the Relief Force, but they worried you will overextended your force.

3. How do you combat the French Influnce, but how do you aderess quite a bit of the German States wanting to join with Prussia?




Poland:

1. Where will you Stirke at Next?
2. Your Popluation does not Like Leopold I, what do you do now?
3. The Danes are still At war with Sweden and the Netherlands, what do you say about this?




Russia:

1. You Took Batumi, and have 12,000 Troops there. You have 37,000 Troops left at Varad. What will you do now?
2. You Caputred 3,000 Turks, what will you do with them?
A.Cannon Fodder
B. Tortue and Kill Them
C. Ransom Them
D. Release them
E.Other?

3. Your Popluation is happy with you trading reforms, but what to go back to War with Poland when the Crusade is over. How do you address this?


The Swiss:


1. You have lost 500 Mercs so Far in Fighting. How do you address this?
2. What Now for the Netrual Country?





The Pope:

1. Do you Press on To Buda/Pest/Gran, or no or somewhere else?
2. Your Population is happy to see you building Churches, what will you do now?




The French:

1. you Took Spanish Prisoners, what do you do with them?
2. Do you Reinforce your Lines, and/or Attack
3. What else?



The Spanish:

1. You Took back Boussioln, but got push back from Toulouse, This is good and bad. What do you do now?
2. You Took French Prisonoers, their fate is in your hands. What do you do now?
3. Other?



Sweden:

1. You Made Peace with Poland, but at war with the Danes, what you do with them now?
2. Other?



Netherlands:

1. What you like to do this turn?
You retrucited 5,000 Inf and 2,500 Cav, any more this turn?






I didn't add Money/Troops, and some other stuff Since I was slighty low on time, but I will do so next Chapter. Just Tell me what you like to buy and I figure it out.


Deadline:December 18




Thank You Everyone!!!!!!!!

[woad&fangs]

What are the choices for Transylvania this turn?

[Caius]

A call for Louis XIV:

Your intentions of conquering our lands have been removed, and we have your soldiers, praying with mercy. They are scared, and they are waiting for your decition to save themselves. I'm willing to change the end of your country.

This lands were owned by the Spanish when the French people took to us, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franche-Comt%C3%A9

I publicy claim for this land, as it is ours. The fate of your people lies in your hand, Louis XIV The Murderer. Its your chance to save your people.

To the Swiss: We, the Spanish, understand that you want to stay our of any war. We will let you alone. We want some trade with your nation, is that possible?

This is not a call only for the Swiss. I'm interested in trading with all the countries who are interested on it.

Have a good day,

Carlos II de España

[Warluster]

Carlos,

We also have your soldiers. The land you claim is mine, as I rightfully took it from your ahnds.

Carlos, why fight? You call me names, you claim names for conquests you dream of. Do I have to remind you? We have over 50 000 troops, veterans and experinced, against your 25 000 simple recruits. Can you not see the way this war leans?
(OOC: Are you sure that maps right? Its not near the Spanish Netherlands or Spain...)
I offer a deal, it is fair considering I could easily overwhelm you. After seeing a map of the provinces I took from you, I will gice them back, with the prisoners, if you give back the land you took and my prisoners. We shall also sign a alliance and trade treaty. What say you?

Be warned, I have at least 50 000 troops heading to Southern France...

Lous XIV,

[Incongruous]

Is this still active?

[Ayachuco]

We can pretend to be active until Warman8 comes back in March 08, hopefully. Don't forget to send in your orders.

[Northnovas]

We can pretend to be active until Warman8 comes back in March 08, hopefully. Don't forget to send in your orders.

I know the 18th is the deadline for orders but they will not be followed up on till March because W8 is away till then?

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Don't Worry about the Deadline. Just make sure you have the in by Januray,no later then early Feburaby when I come back officaly.


Cya then

[King Jan III Sobieski]

Transylvania is currently recruiting militiamen while we wait for our crusading allies to arrive and assist in lifting the siege of Varad. Godspeed to our Christian bretheran.

Gyorgi Rakosci II

The Glorious Kingdom of Poland hears you!

[King Jan III Sobieski]

<sigh>