17 Centruy IH

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Austria had a standing army of 24500 I believe, without of course militia.

Argeed Ichi. I read on the SPanish war Site I found (check Spanish IH thread for it), that it said the same thing (you check same site Madden?).

[King Jan III Sobieski]

Someone has to take the Ottoman and Russian Empires...we can't let Warman88 take them by default.

[Northnovas]

Okay, I have been lurking through this thread and reading the other IH for awhile and this looks interesting to be involved in, so I will sign up for Russia and of the dual Tsars I will take Peter the Great.
I got a lot of the political stuff reading Peter's bio is there any other sources recommended for the military history of country?

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http://www.history.wisc.edu/sommerville/351/351-15.htm


just keep clicking the arrow thing at the bottom and after a few slides, it takes you to a Peter the Great page, and some nice info at the time.



Thanks for taking Russia

Will be fun, but kinda hard I think.

[seireikhaan]

Hmm, just noticed something in the rules. It stated that different kingdoms get different amounts they can spend depending on the size of their territory. Considering its rather unique disposition, does the Papacy get more than would other, similary-sized territories?

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Hmm, just noticed something in the rules. It stated that different kingdoms get different amounts they can spend depending on the size of their territory. Considering its rather unique disposition, does the Papacy get more than would other, similary-sized territories?

I would say yes, and if you influence you people alot to, you could get more money also.


But let me finaizlie it, of course . Rules been updated now also

[Incongruous]

Ok I would like to take the Swisslanders please.

[Csargo]

Brandenburg-Prussia


Leader:

Frederick William aka The Great Elector
Successor:Frederick III-First King of Prussia Frederick I

Alliances:During this time alliances were made and broken easily.

Pacts: No idea

War: Sweden afaik

Rebellions: None that I know of

Military campaigns: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_...saw_%281656%29

Army Org: The military of Prussia was a disciplined one with a strength of around 25000 in 1660. The Brandenburg army was close to the cutting edge of the European military innovation.

Economy: No idea

Trading:No idea

Rule:Frederick William was a major military leader and a rebuilder after the Thirty years war.

Religions: Protestant;acceptance

Social situations: No, they are generally happy with their lives
other then maybe Prussia.

M: None that I know of.

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Rules are Officaly Updated :-)

Chapter is 25% done as of Thursday Night. Will be up Sunday Night, and PM's will be sent out on Monday.

[cegorach]

Okay, I have been lurking through this thread and reading the other IH for awhile and this looks interesting to be involved in, so I will sign up for Russia and of the dual Tsars I will take Peter the Great.
I got a lot of the political stuff reading Peter's bio is there any other sources recommended for the military history of country?

I remind that it starts decades before Peter took power.

Most likely - here is the ONLY place you can find anything detailed about Russian military of that period in English...

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=53648


There are some minor mistakes - for example the author mentions some battle with the Poles which probably never happened, but still it is the best source possible...


In addition I suggest this thread if you need some pictures to figure what is what

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=72384



As a short side note I am quite certain that the Russian army in 1654-1660 was generally of better quality and experience than the force that Peter gathered in 1700 - only later the new army of Peter the Great became really superior. And, yes I am quite serious.

That ends my intrusion.

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Cegorach never fails to impress me with his knowledge of history




http://www.le.ac.uk/hi/bon/ESFDB/Armies/armies.html


knock yourselves out . got some information there.

[Northnovas]

Yes you are correct and thanks for the info. I realized after I posted that Peter would be the at the end of this era. I will just have to do some more reading.
cegorach thanks for the links very nice work!

[King Jan III Sobieski]

Information on the Great State of Poland-Lithuania
- Jan II Kasmier

The Nihil novi act adopted by the Polish Diet in 1505 transferred all legislative power from the king to the Diet. This event marked the beginning of the period known as "Nobles' Democracy" or "Nobles' Commonwealth" (Rzeczpospolita szlachecka) when the state was ruled by the "free and equal" Polish nobility (szlachta). The Lublin Union of 1569 constituted the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth as an influential player in European politics and a vital cultural entity.

The death of Sigismund II Augustus in 1572 was followed by a three-year interregnum period during which adjustments were made to the constitutional system. The lower nobility was now included in the selection process, and the power of the monarch was further circumscribed in favor of the expanded noble class. Each king had to sign the so called Henrician Articles, which were the basis of the political system of Poland, and pacta conventa which were various personal obligations of the chosen king. From that point, the king was effectively a partner with the noble class and constantly supervised by a group of senators. Once the Jagiellons disappeared from the scene, the fragile equilibrium of the Commonwealth government began to go awry. The constitutional reforms made the monarchy electoral in fact as well as name. As more and more power went to the noble electors, it also eroded from the government's center.


"The Republic at Zenith of Power. Golden Liberty. Kings election in 1573." By Jan MatejkoIn its periodic opportunities to fill the throne, the szlachta exhibited a preference for foreign candidates who would not found another strong dynasty. This policy produced monarchs who were either totally ineffective or in constant debilitating conflict with the nobility. Furthermore, aside from notable exceptions such as the able Transylvanian Stefan Batory (1576-1586), the kings of alien origin were inclined to subordinate the interests of the Commonwealth to those of their own country and ruling house.

Commonwealth-Ottomans relations were never too warm, as the Commonwealth viewed itself as the 'bulwark of the Christendom' and together with Habsburgs and Republic of Venice was the thorn in the Ottoman plans of European conquest. Since the second half of the 16th century, Polish-Ottomans relations, never too friendly, were further worsened by the escalation of Cossacks-Tatars border warfare, which turned the entire border region between the Commonwealth and Ottoman Empire into a semi-permanent warzone.

In the 1595, magnates of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth intervened in the affairs of Moldavia. This would start a series of conflicts that would soon spread to Transylvania, Wallachia and Hungary, when the Commonwealth forces clashed with the forces backed by Ottoman Empire and occasionally Habsburgs, all competing for the domination over that region.

With the Commonwealth engaged on its northern and eastern borders with near constant conflicts against Sweden and Muscovy, its armies were spread thin. Finally, the southern wars culminated in the Polish defeat at the battle of Cecora in 1620. Eventually the Commonwealth was forced to renounce all claims to Moldavia, Transylvania, Wallachia and Hungary.

Władysław IV Vasa (1632-1648) (my predecessor)
Wladislaw tried to achieve many military goals, including conquest of Russia, Sweden and Turkey. His reign is that of many small victories, few of them bringing anything worthwhile to the Commonwealth. For a time, he was elected a tsar, but never had any control over Russian territories. In the end, like his father, he failed to strengthen the Commonwealth or prevent the crippling events of The Deluge or Chmielnicki Rebellion, that devastated the Commonwealth in 1648.

[woad&fangs]

I changed my mind. I want to be Transylvania.

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Keep posting your country information everyone! Got 3 already, but need everyone elses.

[MaddenKhan2]

Austria/HRE (Habsburgs)

Current Emperor: Leopold I (1657(?)-1705)



Alliances: Allied with England,Dutch Netherlands and some German states in Spanish Sucession against Bavaria,France and Spain.

Pacts: None at the moment.

Rebellions: Hungary rebellions in the next few years.

Military campaigns: None ATM


Wars: 1662, took on the Ottomans, but none in 1660 as of yet....

Army Org: 24,500 standing army, without the mitlita. Can raise more, escally can get more from German States, but have a tough time paying them and supplying them.

Economy: Trying to get up on Back Taxs, pay off loans, and pay troops. Been making some medium sucesses, but got a way to go still.

Trading: Not much information here, but presume trading with Poland,Germany States,Veince,France.

Rule: Leopold I, elected by German Electors for the HRE Emperor. He is a popular ruler as of now, making his way to towns and greeting people in towns his precessors never bothered to go to.

Religions: Devout Catholic Leopold I. Austria is Devout Catholics, German States are divided up by Catholic/Cavlinism and Lutherlism. Hungary has alot of Protestnats to.

Social situations: Constantly changing political changes due to nations going to war around them and such.

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Doing Good All!!!


I want to have Spain and the Ottomans Taken by tomarrow night (Thursday), or at least have the Ottomans taken, and all information in by Saturday, and I'll get Chapter 1 up Tuesday then (going hunting, and got to rest my wrists due to CTS over the next few days, then Tuesday I'll spend a few hours and get Chapter 1 up)

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I'll get this chapter 1 up next Sunday, because I am giving all of you guys time to research your information, since some people just joined and such.

[MaddenKhan2]

I, Leopold I of Austria, wishs to extand our Hand in Allaince to Jan II Kasmier, of the Polish-Litshutian Commowealth!



Leopold I

[King Jan III Sobieski]

I, Leopold I of Austria, wishs to extand our Hand in Allaince to Jan II Kasmier, of the Polish-Litshutian Commowealth!



Leopold I

Dispite your misspelling of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth's name , I shall accept your offer of alliance, comrade Leopold of Austria. While Poland looks not to unprovoked war, let the enemies of Poland know that if invaded, they shall bow to the might of the Polish-Lithuanian-Austrian Alliance!

Jan II, King of Poland, Archduke of Lithuania and Lord of the Eastern Realms.

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Tomarrow (Monday), I will officaly update the rules regarding building, retructiment and income/expenses .