Is that true that the EB team dislike Romans ?

[Barry Soteiro]

I've heard some people saying that is that right uh ?

[Intranetusa]

I've heard some people saying that is that right uh ?

Play the game as Romans and look at the unit cards. Then look at the discussion threads and decide for yourself...

[Bootsiuv]

Yawn.

The Romani have more units than any other faction, more reforms, more buildings, more traits and ancillaries....I fail to see how that equates to the EB team not liking rome.

They just think that the other factions should be as well represented, to which I whole-heartedly agree.

[Teleklos Archelaou]

Yeah, their own UI and culture group (only faction to have their own) also. The most complete voice mod, the aforementioned extra reforms, traits, ancillaries, unit slots, etc. Yeah, we can't stand them.

[Tellos Athenaios]

Indeed.

[O'ETAIPOS]

I for example simply hate Romans. I hate them that much that (.....)
cut excesive violence censor

[Intranetusa]

I'm play Greece at the moment and I badly want to see a script that gets Carthage to create an army in Spain and invade Rome via the Alps.

BURN ROME BURN!!!!

[bovi]

Gertrude's two last posts have seemed to be flamebait. I discourage feeding the troll.

[Centurion Crastinus]

Dude, are you kidding? This is the best damn mod anywhere. I myself just play as the Romans and I can tell you that they have a ton of stuff. I agree all factions should be represented fairly and to an extent, I believe they are. I think that the moderators just try to balance everything as best as they can. And no, I don't think that they hate the Romans.

[Tellos Athenaios]

I'm play Greece at the moment and I badly want to see a script that gets Carthage to create an army in Spain and invade Rome via the Alps.

BURN ROME BURN!!!!

That's entirely unneccesary: Carthage already tries to subdue Spain 9 times out of 10; and tours through Italy (they love the weather and the food in Southern Italy, it seems) 10 out of 10. I am waiting till they actually attack the Romans or vice versa (which would be slightly more accurate) but so far the Romani & Qartadastim have been pre-occupied with eradicating Eleutheroi...

[Intranetusa]

That's entirely unneccesary: Carthage already tries to subdue Spain 9 times out of 10; and tours through Italy (they love the weather and the food in Southern Italy, it seems) 10 out of 10. I am waiting till they actually attack the Romans or vice versa (which would be slightly more accurate) but so far the Romani & Qartadastim have been pre-occupied with eradicating Eleutheroi...

Poor Carthaginians gets wiped out cuz their government are puss*** who surrendered to the Romans after getting a flesh wound in Punic War 1 & 2...if they were more resilient like the Romans, then they would've won...

[TWFanatic]

Carthage already tries to subdue Spain 9 times out of 10

In every single campaign I've ever had with EB, Carthage just builds full stacks of Poeni Militia and let's them sit south of Carthago Nova (or whatever it's called in EB) for eternity, or until the expanding Lustonnan (sp?) tribes attack them.

[Tellos Athenaios]

Oh yeah but by the time they've conquered the other side of the Gibraltar as well...

[Diamondj]

Poor Carthaginians gets wiped out cuz their government are puss*** who surrendered to the Romans after getting a flesh wound in Punic War 1 & 2...if they were more resilient like the Romans, then they would've won...

Militarily the first punic war wasn't *that* bad, but finiancially it really messed them up. After their defeat in the war, another conflict broke out- the mercenary war- in which the army they hired to fight the romans rebelled because they didn;t receive their promised payment, as a result they lost Corsica and Sardinia as well when Rome once again took advantage of Carthage. The second punic war was a hell of a lot more than a flesh wound, but they did probably lose it because their government was divided and because the faction led by Hanno the "Great" (I don't think that there is another person in history that is less deserving of that title) was generally pro-Roman and did everything in his power to reverse the efforts of the Barcid brothers.

[Bava]

[...]Hanno the "Great" (I don't think that there is another person in history that is less deserving of that title) was generally pro-Roman[...]

Anti-Barcid would be more appropriate imho, the thought of Hannibal back in Quart-Hadasht as triumphator with a whole army of seasoned veterans surely gave him some unpleasant nightmares

Yeah, their own UI and culture group (only faction to have their own) also. The most complete voice mod, the aforementioned extra reforms, traits, ancillaries, unit slots, etc. Yeah, we can't stand them.

Could you hate Epeiros or Baktria, then, please? :P

[Starforge]

Militarily the first punic war wasn't *that* bad, but finiancially it really messed them up. After their defeat in the war, another conflict broke out- the mercenary war- in which the army they hired to fight the romans rebelled because they didn;t receive their promised payment, as a result they lost Corsica and Sardinia as well when Rome once again took advantage of Carthage. The second punic war was a hell of a lot more than a flesh wound, but they did probably lose it because their government was divided and because the faction led by Hanno the "Great" (I don't think that there is another person in history that is less deserving of that title) was generally pro-Roman and did everything in his power to reverse the efforts of the Barcid brothers.

Yep - gotta love when internal factional politics screw up a war effort - we wouldn't have a clue what that's like in modern times.

[Decimus Attius Arbiter]

Spending almost half a century fighting the Romans and your own military would be more than a flesh wound.

[Tellos Athenaios]

Could you hate Epeiros or Baktria, then, please? :P

Easily. They always stab you in your AS back!

[Starforge]

Interesting writeup on Carthage and the Punic wars. Seems to mesh with most of the other sources on the web.

http://www.roman-empire.net/republic/carthage.html

[Dayve]

I don't see how anybody could hate any people of EB's time anymore than any others. Back in those days, when it boils down to it every people were just as 'barbaric' as the next. Even the people we today see as the most 'civilized' of the time, the Romans, and to a lesser extent the Greeks, were all barbarians and murderers whose leaders were also barbarians and murderers.

It just so happens that the Romans were the ones who conquered most of the known world, but if they hadn't then somebody else would have, and they would have enslaved/exterminated/extorted whoever they felt like just as did the Romans.

The only real difference of the day was culture. Behind the culture every people were just as violent as the next. Romans did their murdering clean-shaven and wearing cool looking armour or elegant looking togas, Gauls did it with long unshaven hair and wearing what would look to us today tattered rags.

Most people in the west have a higher disposition toward the Romans though, myself included, because in school we are told tales of glorious battles fought by the legions, wonderful buildings made of marble and the utmost civilization of the day. But nobody else is glorified. We aren't told tales of Gauls or Cartheginans.

Before R:TW i never even knew what a Gaul or Cartheginian was or that the Greeks conquered the east. And before EB i had no idea that ancient 'barbarian' tribes weren't barbarians at all really, just not as technologically advanced as Rome was. I almost had a heart attack when i found out it was 'barbarians' that invented soap, and the Germans used to wash everyday! I had always imagined them as a horde of smelly, unwashed, unshaven mob of cultureless bandits and raiders.

[Starforge]

I don't see how anybody could hate any people of EB's time anymore than any others. Back in those days, when it boils down to it every people were just as 'barbaric' as the next. Even the people we today see as the most 'civilized' of the time, the Romans, and to a lesser extent the Greeks, were all barbarians and murderers whose leaders were also barbarians and murderers.

It just so happens that the Romans were the ones who conquered most of the known world, but if they hadn't then somebody else would have, and they would have enslaved/exterminated/extorted whoever they felt like just as did the Romans.

The only real difference of the day was culture. Behind the culture every people were just as violent as the next. Romans did their murdering clean-shaven and wearing cool looking armour or elegant looking togas, Gauls did it with long unshaven hair and wearing what would look to us today tattered rags.

Most people in the west have a higher disposition toward the Romans though, myself included, because in school we are told tales of glorious battles fought by the legions, wonderful buildings made of marble and the utmost civilization of the day. But nobody else is glorified. We aren't told tales of Gauls or Cartheginans.

Before R:TW i never even knew what a Gaul or Cartheginian was or that the Greeks conquered the east. And before EB i had no idea that ancient 'barbarian' tribes weren't barbarians at all really, just not as technologically advanced as Rome was. I almost had a heart attack when i found out it was 'barbarians' that invented soap, and the Germans used to wash everyday! I had always imagined them as a horde of smelly, unwashed, unshaven mob of cultureless bandits and raiders.

"Hate" will happen when you figure that most information written down filters through an individual (the authors) perceptions, hangups and baggage. In many cases they're relying on what other modern authors have written and finally on what sources wrote (in some cases quoting earlier works) and data recovered from sites likely much of which is not going to provide you with a smoking gun such as a Rosetta stone.

That some of the BBC produced programs, for example, would talk up the Celts and down the Romans is perfectly understandable. Not going to even say it's innacurate but requires in many cases just as much speculation as talking up the Romans and talking down the Celts.

[Tiberius Nero]

Yeah, the EB teams hates Romans, they are the prime suspects for the decline of the empire and at least two sackings of Rome.

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[Long lost Caesar]

sorry to go off topic here, but an educated barbarian needs your sage advice. from whats been posted regarding the punic wars, i get the impression the carthaginians lost the second war. i though they won the second war, since the romans finally crushed them in the third! is it just that hannibal was around in the third and the tide turned? sorry if i seem like an idiot, i try to go by my common sense, but ocassionally it needs fine-tuning.

[Tiberius Nero]

After the end of the 2nd war, Carthage effectively became a Roman protectorate, greatly reduced in power. And Romans don't lose wars (generally...), that's why people hate them. :P

[Starforge]

sorry to go off topic here, but an educated barbarian needs your sage advice. from whats been posted regarding the punic wars, i get the impression the carthaginians lost the second war. i though they won the second war, since the romans finally crushed them in the third! is it just that hannibal was around in the third and the tide turned? sorry if i seem like an idiot, i try to go by my common sense, but ocassionally it needs fine-tuning.

They lost - quite decisively. Had Hannibal been given what he requested in the form of support and troops it might have been different but even then only *might* as it all becomes speculative.

[Long lost Caesar]

so cannae was a battle of the third punic war?
who needs school when ive got you guys?

[Reno Melitensis]

Hannibal was a great commander, but as was said on him, " He knew how to win a battle, but not how to win a war". To finish off the romans he needed to besiege and capture Rome, and that would have been a long struggle, knowing that the romans had a policy of no peace terms without total victory. Even if the Poeni would have send more aid to Hannibal, Rome's former allies would still not trust him and maybe with time would ally with Rome again, to kick the foreign invader out of Italia. Rome was choosen by the almighty God to earn its place in history, and history is written by the victor, hate him or love him.

Roma Victoria.
Long live the Emperor

Cheers.

[CaesarAugustus]

so cannae was a battle of the third punic war?

No. Second.

[Palasta]

Why hate? They didn't do anything to you.

I don't hate any faction except of... uh... no, unfortunately there is no despite for anyone, sry.

[Starforge]

Why hate? They didn't do anything to you.

I don't hate any faction except of... uh... no, unfortunately there is no despite for anyone, sry.

Well, in the case of the Romans you could argue that they DID do something to you (well, your ancestors) if your Jewish, German, English, Greek (and the list goes on.)