Out of character thread XVI

[econ21]

I think Ignoramus is here in the States, and is fairly young. He could very well be in school right now.

He is on Australian time. He said he could fight the battle any time between 9am and 9pm, but that may have been optimistic. The deadline for getting a result is 24 hours from now.

[Zim]

He is on Australian time. He said he could fight the battle any time between 9am and 9pm, but that may have been optimistic. The deadline for getting a result is 24 hours from now.

I stand corrected.

You know, if all the Aussies united together in an ingame Civil War, the rest of us would be in big trouble!

There's something especially cool about playing a game like this with people from at least three regions of the world very, very distant from eachother.

[gibsonsg91921]

Yeah, I'm from the states along with PK and TC at least, ik econ and possibly OK are in england, aussiegiant is in switzerland, warluster and iggy are in australia, and theres plenty im missing this is just off the top of my head

[Privateerkev]

OK is in the states, but he has graveyard shift at work.

Zim is west coast. GH, OK, and TC are east coast. I'm Chicagoland.

EF is in England like Econ.

Others have been mentioned already.

[Zim]

OK is in the states, but he has graveyard shift at work.

Zim is west coast. GH, OK, and TC are east coast. I'm Chicagoland.

EF is in England like Econ.

Others have been mentioned already.

deguerra's in Australia, but is not an Aussie. I think Factionheir lives in the UK as well, but I'm not sure.

We're very international in a mostly English-speaking country sort of way.

[Privateerkev]

We're very international in a mostly English-speaking country sort of way.

Seeing as we mostly reside in England or English speaking former colonies, I am not too surprised that we speak English.

*edit*

I should say Britain since colonizing mainly done in the areas were talking about after the Act of Union...

[Zim]

Seeing as we mostly reside in England or English speaking former colonies, I am not too surprised that we speak English.

You wouldn't say that if you lived in Texas like I used to.

[deguerra]

am at work, so ill keep it brief. to add to your nationalism/nationstate debate:

i have to say i quite like where germany is at the moment. ever since ww2, germany has been a distnictly un-patriotic country, as even the slightest show of patriotism was percevied (or cried down) as far-right nationalism.

we do not learn our national anthem, we do not hoist our flags at many public buildings and are generally not taught to be proud of our country.

i have two insights on this:

1. patriotism is somewhat inevitable (yes, i used it because of previous discussion :P). as german patriotism was frowned upon, people instead showed patriotism for their states (bavaria, hamburg etc.) for their dialects or for their municipal regions. instead of having national festivals, we had smaller ones. the idea of becoming utterly unpatriotic seems not to work.

2. patriotism can be good. i was never proud of germany in my life until i left it. i think it had do to with the combination of seeing how other countries WERE patriotic and viewing germany from a distance for the first time, but i slowly began to not only accept but be happy with my heritage. to me now, being german is about reminding the world of what ultra-nationalism can lead to, and ironically, being proud of that role, perhaps i am guilty of a little nationalism.

i still think many countries go to far. the USA is always a prime example, but really many other countries are not that different. to be honest, I find that most every country's citizens have a lot to be proud of, and should be. it is only when it leads to degrading other countries...be it officially, in stereotypes or just by idiots on internet forums ( ) that I sometimes sit back and worry at the destination this world is heading to.

its good to see such open people as on this forum, and indeed i find myself more conservative than some of you. but that is for another time.

brief...hah

deguerra

[Privateerkev]

am at work, so ill keep it brief. to add to your nationalism/nationstate debate:

i have to say i quite like where germany is at the moment. ever since ww2, germany has been a distnictly un-patriotic country, as even the slightest show of patriotism was percevied (or cried down) as far-right nationalism.

we do not learn our national anthem, we do not hoist our flags at many public buildings and are generally not taught to be proud of our country.

i have two insights on this:

1. patriotism is somewhat inevitable (yes, i used it because of previous discussion :P). as german patriotism was frowned upon, people instead showed patriotism for their states (bavaria, hamburg etc.) for their dialects or for their municipal regions. instead of having national festivals, we had smaller ones. the idea of becoming utterly unpatriotic seems not to work.

2. patriotism can be good. i was never proud of germany in my life until i left it. i think it had do to with the combination of seeing how other countries WERE patriotic and viewing germany from a distance for the first time, but i slowly began to not only accept but be happy with my heritage. to me now, being german is about reminding the world of what ultra-nationalism can lead to, and ironically, being proud of that role, perhaps i am guilty of a little nationalism.

i still think many countries go to far. the USA is always a prime example, but really many other countries are not that different. to be honest, I find that most every country's citizens have a lot to be proud of, and should be. it is only when it leads to degrading other countries...be it officially, in stereotypes or just by idiots on internet forums ( ) that I sometimes sit back and worry at the destination this world is heading to.

its good to see such open people as on this forum, and indeed i find myself more conservative than some of you. but that is for another time.

brief...hah

deguerra

I found it interesting to hear your point of view with regards to being German. Germany has indeed been discouraged from being "nationalistic" which is ironic because they didn't exactly invent genocide. Genocide has been perpetrated by many countries including my own. But so many people treat the holocaust as somehow "worse" than your "run of the mill" genocide. So the idea that German nationalism is somehow more dangerous than other nationalisms has always bugged me.

And deguerra, I have found that many people find themselves more conservative than me. I have learned to just roll with it.

[gibsonsg91921]

yeah, if your ideas were accepted by the conservatives of the world, they would be fabulous. if people were perfect, communism would be great. unfortunately, people aren't perfect. call it adam and eve, call it ambition, call it whatever the @#$% you want, but people ain't perfect.

[deguerra]

well on the one hand, there are things that make the holocaust stand out, even beyond sheer numbers. but i dont want to go into those.

then theres that the holocaust is more recent history. sure, you could cite dafur in sudan as much more recent, but the thing with the holocaust is that obvioulsy after ww2, the world undivided attention was on europe. whereas nobody seemed or seems to care much about darfur, not that im advocating that this is in any way right, and not that i can honestly claim myself to be much better.

and i think a lot of making the holocaust somehow worse has to do with being able to live with being proud in one's own country (bringing us nicely back to patriotism :D). I think there is a perception that to admit that one's own country has done such unbelievable things would be somehow accepting that one's country is bad. As a German, and a proud German at that, I can say that there is more to be proud of in most countries than a small, albeit terrible period of history can erase. To me it is important firstly to look at history before the holocaust, and I find many things I can be proud of there. But much more importantly, I can look at history after the holocaust and I can honestly say I am proud with what Germany has become. We (as a country and a people) have our faults, quite a few even, and there is much that still needs to be done. But I think we have put behind us the terror of half a century, and can truly move on, certainly never to forget what happened, in fact to encourage remembrance at every opportunity, but to continue to strive to become a nation kids can be proud of in future.

I found it interesting to hear your point of view with regards to being German. Germany has indeed been discouraged from being "nationalistic" which is ironic because they didn't exactly invent genocide. Genocide has been perpetrated by many countries including my own. But so many people treat the holocaust as somehow "worse" than your "run of the mill" genocide. So the idea that German nationalism is somehow more dangerous than other nationalisms has always bugged me.

And deguerra, I have found that many people find themselves more conservative than me. I have learned to just roll with it.

[RoadKill]

OK is in the states, but he has graveyard shift at work.

Zim is west coast. GH, OK, and TC are east coast. I'm Chicagoland.

EF is in England like Econ.

Others have been mentioned already.

GO CANADA!!!

Wait were talking about were we live in real life right?