Out of character thread XVI

**Privateerkev** · 12-06-2007, 01:53

Originally Posted by Zim

We're very international in a mostly English-speaking country sort of way.

Seeing as we mostly reside in England or English speaking former colonies, I am not too surprised that we speak English.

*edit*

I should say Britain since colonizing mainly done in the areas were talking about after the Act of Union...

**Zim** · 12-06-2007, 01:55

Originally Posted by Privateerkev

Seeing as we mostly reside in England or English speaking former colonies, I am not too surprised that we speak English.

You wouldn't say that if you lived in Texas like I used to.

**gibsonsg91921** · 12-06-2007, 01:57

haha well me and PK live in chicagoland so we know exactly what you're talking about bud. no offense, im all for immigration.

**Zim** · 12-06-2007, 01:59

Originally Posted by gibsonsg91921

haha well me and PK live in chicagoland so we know exactly what you're talking about bud. no offense, im all for immigration.

Me, too. Living in Texas is certainly a good way to learn Spanish if nothing else.

I wasn't sure if Chicago was like that as well. A couple of people from Mexico I used to work with had some family there, but said they hated the weather. Too cold.

**Privateerkev** · 12-06-2007, 02:04

Originally Posted by Zim

Me, too. Living in Texas is certainly a good way to learn Spanish if nothing else.

I wasn't sure if Chicago was like that as well. A couple of people from Mexico I used to work with had some family there, but said they hated the weather. Too cold.

Chicagoland has an absolutely massive Latino population in some parts of the city and in some of the suburbs. I went to a Highschool next to Ohare Airport and it was over half Latino because housing is more affordable where it is loud from the planes.

As for immigration, my stance is a tad different from a lot of people. I advocate for the dissolution of the nation-state as a political structure so immigration becomes kind of moot if that ever gets realized. But until that happens, I'm up for taking care of whoever happens to make it here. If your here, your part of the system and society so you should benefit from everything that means.

**Zim** · 12-06-2007, 02:10

Originally Posted by Privateerkev

As for immigration, my stance is a tad different from a lot of people. I advocate for the dissolution of the nation-state as a political structure so immigration becomes kind of moot if that ever gets realized. But until that happens, I'm up for taking care of whoever happens to make it here. If your here, your part of the system and society so you should benefit from everything that means.

I'm not sure the nation-state has outlived it usefulness yet, but the part in bold is pretty much the same as my feelings about immigration. I think if people want to come here to work we should make it easier for them to become legal. Aside from it being the moral thing to do, from a national security viewpoint it would be safer if we could keep better track of everyone (and thus be able to find the few people who really are dangerous) and it might make it harder for businesses to get away with paying people half of minimum wage just because they're undocumented and can't do anything about it.

Stuperman I know, but hey, one of them hadn't seen snow until it snowed at work one night (we get about one day of snow a year in Texas

), so I guess they can be forgiven.

**Privateerkev** · 12-06-2007, 02:16

Originally Posted by Zim

I'm not sure the nation-state has outlived it usefulness yet, but the part in bold is pretty much the same as my feelings about immigration. I think if people want to come here to work we should make it easier for them to become legal. Aside from it being the moral thing to do, from a national security viewpoint it would be safer if we could keep better track of everyone (and thus be able to find the few people who really are dangerous) and it might make it harder for businesses to get away with paying people half of minimum wage just because they're undocumented and can't do anything about it.

I'm quite convinced that the nation-state is a horrible way to form governing bodies and will cause much death and suffering in the future. Drawing lines around geographical spaces and then making special rules for some people in those lines leads to a lot of trouble in my opinion.

As for immigration, it has to do with the fact that those people are... people. I don't care if you've lived here 100 years or 30 minutes. Once your in the social and cultural structure, I have an ability to help you through my tax money and civil instruments, like voting. So then I will do so. I would prefer if I could extend this to everyone on the planet but one thing at a time.

**Stuperman** · 12-06-2007, 02:05

Well, I'm in, as Bill O'Rielly would call it, Northern Canukistan, and close enough to Quebec to regret not paying more attention in French Class.

@Zim, no offence but your former workmate's family are wussies, It's gonna be -27 tonight, and I love it

**Privateerkev** · 12-06-2007, 02:07

Another former British colony...

**Privateerkev** · 12-06-2007, 01:58

Well, Texas was eventually taken over by colonists that came from a country that used to be colonized by Britain.

Hence... English as one of the major languages in Texas.