For Those That Play As Romans

[Thaatu]

those Eleutheroi armies stacks appear via script at a certain moment and I'd guess they disappear too at a certain moment (or are replaced by a beatable stack) at some point of the game.

I hate to break it to you...

[MoROmeTe]

..but they never go away. They also seem to trigger a floury of troop building in those provinces. I, as the Sweboz, have been trying to expand east, along the Baltic. man, I got my arse handed down to me by the defenders of those damn backwaters... They are now siegeing Ascaulis and there's no way I am going to try and clear the siege. I just pray they are not gonna move towards my damn capital, which is kinda close.

[Dayve]

I got done good by one of those crazy gold chevroned rebel armies in my Sweboz game a while back... I decided instead of going south and west i would make the entire modern-day Russia a client kingdom of type 4 governments. I took my army which was now very experienced, almost a full stack, and tried to take a province which would be in Poland today i guess. On the way there my legendary hero Herkawulfaz (i think was his name) with 6 stars of command reached the age of 55 and began getting tired and nasty traits after only one turn marching, so i decided i would replace him with the husband of his daughter, a 1-star noob that had never seen action outside of the bedroom. I figured it would be a good time to prove himself to the faction leader that he was worthy of marrying his daughter.

Anyhow, i marched right into an ambush of a huge army of gold and silver and 3 bronze chevrons, every unit was hard as nails, and they had 20 of them. Anyhow, i tried to have my general fight to the death out of shame of losing my faction heir's beloved army which he conquered so much land with, but the coward ran away when all but 3 of his bodyguards had been killed. 90% of the whole army was destroyed and i'm sure Herkawulfaz will be finding his daughter a new husband sometime soon, or at the very least giving his son-in-law the right honourable duty of being second in command governing a crappy province in the north with a population of less than 1000.

[Strategos Alexandros]

[QUOTE=Thaatu]cmacq is overpowered. He hasn't been nerfed yet, so he must still be. Will cmacq be nerfed for 1.1?


This made me laugh out loud

[Watchman]

those Eleutheroi armies stacks appear via script at a certain moment and I'd guess they disappear too at a certain moment (or are replaced by a beatable stack) at some point of the game.

IIRC that's functionally impossible given the limitations of the script... So you gotta get rid of them the old-fashioned way.

You'll be fighting for your country
See the colors fly
They'll be coming in the morning boys
You gotta hold the line
- The Thin Red Line by Saxon

[Treverer]

Oh, well ...

... I'll just double (for safety: triple) my forces and hope for a "Phyrric Win".

... or, I leave them alone and conquer the rest of the world ;-).

T.

[TWFanatic]

If it's about 250 BC in your campaign, basically everything to the North of the Alps towards the Baltic is very unsafe. It got some nice hidden 'features'...

Awesome! I can't wait to start a Romani campaign.

[Boyar Son]

I think your line of posts like this is no longer any fun. You've made a lot of them.

You're right my apologies. Backroom makes one a hell of a debater.

But as for lines of sources...you HAVE heard of scipio africanus and trajan?

One defeated hannibal and the other the parthians. Bovi how'd you know I made comment that warrant warnings?

[Watchman]

Around the time Scipio beat Hannibal Carthage had for most intents and purposes lost the Second Punic War already, so that point is a little moot. As for the Parthians, meh. The two had a sort of permanent if often bloody stalemate in Syria and Mesopotamia, neither able to make decisive and permanent inroads into the other's territory.

...and for a while the Palmyrans slapped both around, although granted the Romans were sort of preoccupied at the time.

[Tellos Athenaios]

Well the one you just made certainly warrants two:
1) I must warn you, that Bovi didn't make a remark towards you - he quotes Pharnakes for starters.
2) I must warn you that Trajan is toast very, very quickly in a serious debate on military achievements.

Indeed Trajan is mostly known for:
a) Breaking alliances (with the Getai)
b) Proclaiming the glory of mass-rape & mass-murder (his column). We all 'know' what his German campaign was like; not to mention his campaign against the Getai...

He never won any important military victory. He did extract an awful lot of gold from the Getai though...

[Reno Melitensis]

[QUOTE=Tellos Athenaios]Indeed Trajan is mostly known for:
a) Breaking alliances (with the Getai)
b) Proclaiming the glory of mass-rape & mass-murder (his column). We all 'know' what his German campaign was like; not to mention his campaign against the Getai...

It was the Getai who broke the peace with Rome, during the principate of Domintian, who's armies where defeated. As a result he agreed terms that where not accepted by Rome's senate. He was murdered and replaced by Nerva. But by the time Trajan became emperor the Getai where already on the war path. The Dacian wars where on the horizon.

Cheers.

[Pharnakes]

You're right my apologies. Backroom makes one a hell of a debater.

But as for lines of sources...you HAVE heard of scipio africanus and trajan?

One defeated hannibal and the other the parthians. Bovi how'd you know I made comment that warrant warnings?

Uum... Why are you apologiesing for me?

Not that I am objecting, just curious.

[Boyar Son]

i said sry to the orgah i said "oh realllllyyy....."

@Watchman- but the parthians were defeated right? armenia was now Roman right? they WENT AS FAR as SUSA!!

Trajan not a good general...

Also- Hannibal was used to fighting outnumbered battles right? he won them right? w/out the numidians on Roman side instead of Carthge's Hannibal could've won right?

It's funny how u make me first say how hannibal was defeated then say he could've won.

[Watchman]

@Watchman- but the parthians were defeated right? armenia was now Roman right? they WENT AS FAR as SUSA!!

And that availed them what exactly ? The most long-term effects such occasional successes (as if the Parthians didn't have them too...) would have had was undermining Parthian royal authority and thus unwittingly paving way for the later Sassanid coup d'état... which just earned the Romans an even more troublesome eastern neighbour.

Also- Hannibal was used to fighting outnumbered battles right? he won them right? w/out the numidians on Roman side instead of Carthge's Hannibal could've won right?

The point is that by that point the Romans had already kicked the Carthaginians out of Iberia and Sicily and Hannibal's veteran army had been worn down in the long stalemate in southern Italy. Even if Hannibal had performed miracles and defeated Scipio and his boys that that time, do you honestly think the Romans wouldn't just have sent another army ? It was sort of the whole point of their approach to warfare that they kept up the pressure until the other side caved in.

[bovi]

I'm confused by you Boyar Son. It was a friendly notification to Pharnakes, who has indeed said similar things to what I quoted in many threads lately. Why you would pick up on it I have no idea.

[Boyar Son]

I'm confused by you Boyar Son. It was a friendly notification to Pharnakes, who has indeed said similar things to what I quoted in many threads lately. Why you would pick up on it I have no idea.

I thought u were talking to me, get the idea now?

@Watchman- and going as far as susa is no big deal? so the Romans conquest of several parthian territories (horse cav nation agaist a predominatly foot troop one) is nothing?

remember Cerrhae? thats what the parthians couldve done and end the Romans right there.

and Hannibal, send another army? so would carthage levy its citizens into its army and mercenaries (albeit cheap ones)

[Tellos Athenaios]

Indeed it meant nothing to the Parthians in terms of military or strategic loss. The real Parthian center was much further away anyway; and the Parthians did have that tendency to rely on cavalry for real armies rather than infantry. And the cavalry came from entire different corners of the world.

To the Parthians it pretty much resembled the same thing as the loss of Noricum would have to the Romans. Not something your empire is going to break up over - though you would consider it an insult. One which as the Parthians always did would be repaid in due course.

The Romans always were a threat; but not something to lose any sleep over - that role was for the big empires to the east of the Parthian empire.

[Watchman]

@Watchman- and going as far as susa is no big deal? so the Romans conquest of several parthian territories (horse cav nation agaist a predominatly foot troop one) is nothing?

Given the stark lack of long-term significance (and, I strongly suspect, ability to hang onto the territories in the face of Parthian counteroffensives) ?

Obviously.

remember Cerrhae? thats what the parthians couldve done and end the Romans right there.

Er... what ? Que hablo usted ?

and Hannibal, send another army? so would carthage levy its citizens into its army and mercenaries (albeit cheap ones)

The talk was about the Romans just shipping in another army should Hannibal somehow have managed to mop the floor with Scipio & His Hitmen...

[Boyar Son]

Um I dont really know how to type in spanish use a translator :P

I think its "Cahrrae"?, remember the battle? how the parthians annhialated the Romans? that couldve happened again. And even though it wasnt held for long, a victory is still a victory, besides trajan was getting old, he did want to conquer further east but hadrian was too defensive.

As for hannibal- What? I replied to what possibly couldve happened if scipio was defeated.

[Watchman]

I think its "Cahrrae"?, remember the battle? how the parthians annhialated the Romans? that couldve happened again.

It's Carrhae. Hardly the only battle the two fought, and hardly the only Roman repulse. But after that particular fiasco they made a point of bringing along enough missile troops and cavalry of their own to not get reduced to sitting ducks.

And even though it wasnt held for long, a victory is still a victory, besides trajan was getting old, he did want to conquer further east but hadrian was too defensive.

A victory that brings no benefit, and whose gains are soon lost to their previous owner, is in agrarian societies normally known as "futile and pointless".

Which when you really think about it pretty well characterises those border wars for both sides. Neither actually had the ability to inflict any permanent meaningful damage to the other, but the rulers of both seem to have regarded it as something of a tradition to mount at least one major campaign against the other to inaugurate or round off their reign.

As for hannibal- What? I replied to what possibly couldve happened if scipio was defeated.

What would have happened is that the Romans in true form would've just kept shipping in armies until the Carthies folded, which is what I said to begin with.

[The Internet]

The un-needed Rome bashing in this thread has made me giggle, in other forums it'd be classed as trolling.

[konny]

You'll be fighting for your country
See the colors fly
They'll be coming in the morning boys
You gotta hold the line[/I]
- The Thin Red Line by Saxon

And as I lay there gazing at the sky
My bodys numb and my throat is dry
And as I lay forgotten and alone
Without a tear I draw my parting groan

Iron Maiden, The Trooper

[Mouzafphaerre]

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Ordumuz etti yemîn
Titredi zîr-i zemîn
Milleti etti emîn
Açıldı râh-ı nevîn

Sancağımız şânımız
Osmanlı ünvânımız
Vatan bizim cânımız
Fedâ olsun kanımız

One of the marches of the Proto-Fascist İttihad ve Terakkī. They were singing this while decimating the empire into nill, with the people(s) living on its lands.
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[Rodion Romanovich]

Ehh... you people are weird. My Camillans and Polybians drove the Germans out of their western lands, beat them at their own forest games, and even ambushed a coupla halfstacks. Then came the Marians, which the German Kirslininkas gave hell to for awhile, but then I finally broke them on the borders of Sarmatia. No sweat, man! o.O

The Kirslininkas? Where were your massive first line of iaosatae auxiliares and your occasional horse archer merc unit

[Pharnakes]

The un-needed Rome bashing in this thread has made me giggle, in other forums it'd be classed as trolling.

At least somebody appreciates me.

*sniffs disdainfuly and turns back on bovi*



In seriousness though, for all that we get the occasional "over/underpowered" thread this is one of the frendliest (hmm, is that a word? damn slave) internet "comunites" I have ever belonged to.


I luv you all


In a good way of course




Even bovi

[konny]

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Ordumuz etti yemîn
Titredi zîr-i zemîn
Milleti etti emîn
Açıldı râh-ı nevîn

Sancağımız şânımız
Osmanlı ünvânımız
Vatan bizim cânımız
Fedâ olsun kanımız

No NWBHM, therefore off topic ;-)))

[CirdanDharix]

Even if Hannibal had performed miracles and defeated Scipio and his boys that that time, do you honestly think the Romans wouldn't just have sent another army ? It was sort of the whole point of their approach to warfare that they kept up the pressure until the other side caved in.

Romans really were the contrary of Pyrrhus--all about losing the battle but winning the war

[cmacq]

How many battles may one lose and still win an empire?

[Pharnakes]

Lots?

[Eminos]

..but they never go away. They also seem to trigger a floury of troop building in those provinces. I, as the Sweboz, have been trying to expand east, along the Baltic. man, I got my arse handed down to me by the defenders of those damn backwaters... They are now siegeing Ascaulis and there's no way I am going to try and clear the siege. I just pray they are not gonna move towards my damn capital, which is kinda close.

That might indicate a bug. Is that besieging army commanded by a general or by a captain? If it is a general, what is his name?
The fact that you hesitate to attack them worries me a little since I get the feeling that maybe we have a "wild roving general" here that doesn't know that he is supposed to guard his settlement and not run around doing other nasty stuff.