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    Quote Originally Posted by Stone and Blood
    Lol xD. And jabarto, calaware got eagles too, but the cingetos are much more stronger talking about stats
    I meant the Drwdae, the ones from Britain. The only difference between those and Calawre is that Drwdae have +1 Defense/-1 Attack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TWFanatic
    My recommendation is to go the modders way: reduce Gaesatae stats a bit. I reduced armor a few points (since they have higher armor than many armored units!). This is in keeping with historical accuracy anyways, as it was the Roman pila that was the downfall of these nudists at Telamon according to Polybius. Two hitpoints and 5 armor is a bit high for naked men IMHO, particularly considering that they were easy targets.
    It wasn't just Teleman which the Gaesatae did poorly at:
    Quote Originally Posted by Plutarch
    until he came upon the ten thousand Gaesatae near the place called Clastidium, a Gallic village which not long before had become subject to the Romans. 4 There was no time for him to give his army rest and refreshment, for the Barbarians quickly learned of his arrival, and held in contempt the infantry with him, which were few in number all told, and, being Gauls, made no account of his cavalry. For they were most excellent fighters on horseback, and were thought to be specially superior as such, and, besides, at this time they far outnumbered Marcellus. Immediately, therefore, they charged upon him with great violence and dreadful threats, thinking to overwhelm him, their king riding in front of them. 5 But Marcellus, that they might not succeed in enclosing and surrounding him and his few followers, led his troops of cavalry forward and tried to outflank them, extending his wing into a thin line, until he was not far from the enemy. And now, just as he was turning to make a charge, his horse, frightened by the ferocious aspect of the enemy, wheeled about and bore mostly forcibly back. 6 But he, fearing lest this should be taken as a bad omen by the Romans and lead to confusion among them, quickly reined his horse round to the left and made him face the enemy, while he himself made adoration to the sun, implying that it was not p451by chance, but for this purpose, that he had wheeled about; for it is the custom with the Romans to turn round in this way when they make adoration to the gods. And in the moment of closing with the enemy he is said to have vowed that he would consecrate to Jupiter Feretrius the most beautiful suit of armour among them.

    7 Meanwhile the king of the Gauls espied him, and judging from his insignia that he was the commander, rode far out in front of the rest and confronted him, shouting challenges and brandishing his spear. His stature exceeded that of the other Gauls, and he was conspicuous for a suit of armour which was set off with gold and silver and bright colours and all sorts of broideries; it gleamed like lightning. 2 Accordingly, as Marcellus surveyed the ranks of the enemy, this seemed to him to be the most beautiful armour, and he concluded that it was this which he had vowed to the god. He therefore rushed upon the man, and by a thrust of his spear which pierced his adversary's breastplate, and by the impact of his horse in full career, threw him, still living, upon the ground, where, with a second and third blow, he promptly killed him. 3 Then leaping from his horse and laying his hands upon the armour of the dead, he looked towards heaven and said: "O Jupiter Feretrius, who beholdest the great deeds and exploits of generals and commanders in wars and fightings, I call thee to witness that I have overpowered and slain this man with my own hand, being the third Roman ruler and general so to slay a ruler and king, and that I dedicate to thee the first and most beautiful of the spoils. Do thou therefore grant us a like fortune as we prosecute the rest of the war."

    4 His prayer ended, the cavalry joined battle, fighting, p453not with the enemy's horsemen alone, but also with their footmen who attacked them at the same time, and won a victory, in its sort and kind, was remarkable and strange. For never before or since, as we are told, have so few horsemen conquered so many horsemen and footmen together. After slaying the greater part of the enemy and getting possession of their arms and baggage, Marcellus returned to his colleague, who was hard put to it in his war with the Gauls near their largest and most populous city.9 5 Mediolanum was the city's name, and the Gauls considered it their metropolis; wherefore they fought eagerly in its defence, so that Cornelius was less besieger than besieged. But when Marcellus came up, and when the Gaesatae, on learning of the defeat and death of their king, withdrew, Mediolanum was taken, the Gauls themselves surrendered the rest of their cities, and put themselves entirely at the disposition of the Romans. They obtained peace on equitable terms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frostwulf
    It wasn't just Teleman which the Gaesatae did poorly at:
    Same with the 'mighty legions', they failed on more than one occasion

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raphia
    Same with the 'mighty legions', they failed on more than one occasion
    I completely agree with you. Of course there are some differences. The Gaesatae have some really incredible stats, some deserved (frighten others) and most are not.
    Now certainly the 'mighty legions' failed, but from my cursory view they were more successful then not, the same could not be said of the Gaesatae. Now if you could show me where the Gaesatae deserve their stats(sited sources) I would love to see some as I have been begging for them for quite some time now. From the written sources the Gaesatae performed poorly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frostwulf
    I completely agree with you. Of course there are some differences. The Gaesatae have some really incredible stats, some deserved (frighten others) and most are not.
    Now certainly the 'mighty legions' failed, but from my cursory view they were more successful then not, the same could not be said of the Gaesatae. Now if you could show me where the Gaesatae deserve their stats(sited sources) I would love to see some as I have been begging for them for quite some time now. From the written sources the Gaesatae performed poorly.
    The sources - ask team EB about that, I am just a forum memeber. One know the frightening infantry stat should be there, it has been stated in sources that fighting nude shock up many troops. Playing the game the Gaesatae are not too hard to beat ironically the best way to defeat them is with skirmishers :p bascilly the do what the Romans did at Telamon

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    I second that. So essentially the Gaesatae do deserve their stats. It only remains to be seen whether you can use them in a setting that puts those stats to best use.


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    In custom battles my Elite Thracian Infantry (Rhomphaiorii?) sliced up the Gaesatae 3/3 times, (flatland, 2 exp, and 1 armour + light/heavy weapon upgrade each) and falxmen are really AP specialists whereas Gaesatae dont have much armour so they may look scary but falxmen are w1n :D
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