Scripted rebels

**soibean** · 11-16-2007, 16:57

Im playing an Aerverni campaign and I got tired of rebels popping up in provinces with 170% + order so I changed the spawn rate in the descr_stat to 999999 so I wouldnt have to deal with them. Despite this every 2 or 3 years a rebel family member with 5 + units always pop up.
I dont know if the descr_stat had to be changed before I began a campaign or did the eb team script in the appearance of these rebel pop ups (only reason Im asking is because they always have family members) maybe to symbolize the disunity of the gaulic tribes?
Also, do the helvetti ever leave their lands or are they just permanently based in their province?

**MarcusAureliusAntoninus** · 11-16-2007, 20:54

Yeah, I'm pretty sure you have to start a new campaign for the changes to take effect since it is in the descr_strat.txt.

Do you mean the Boii rebel stacks? If so, those guys are supposed to stay where they are so that the areas are hard to conquer.

**Pharnakes** · 11-16-2007, 21:34

Yes, new campaign is needed for rebel spawn rates to have effect.

**gurakshun** · 11-16-2007, 21:45

Originally Posted by soibean

Im playing an Aerverni campaign and I got tired of rebels popping up in provinces with 170% + order so I changed the spawn rate in the descr_stat to 999999 so I wouldnt have to deal with them. Despite this every 2 or 3 years a rebel family member with 5 + units always pop up.
I dont know if the descr_stat had to be changed before I began a campaign or did the eb team script in the appearance of these rebel pop ups (only reason Im asking is because they always have family members) maybe to symbolize the disunity of the gaulic tribes?
Also, do the helvetti ever leave their lands or are they just permanently based in their province?

every time those stupid rebels pop out i just auto_win them. damn ridiculous if you ask me, asia minor is now the greatest area of the world with unmatched public order and happiness and sophisticated cities with the pinnacle of ancient technology and buildings.

and yet you get these stupid rebels pop up with half-stack armies in the middle of my glorious civilization. i can't put up with something like that, so i auto_win them when they show up in the best parts of my empire.

on the other hand, i allow them to stay if they ever show up near the fringe of my empire where i am subjugating enemy settlements or where public order and happiness is still an issue.

otherwise, all of the rebels die to a single unit of pantadapoi. i don't turn the rebel spawn rate off because i enjoy watching the rebels cause havoc with the AI, especially since the AI's cities are nowhere close to mine in terms of development or public order/happiness.

you can also bribe them if a promising rebel general shows up who is young and has good traits. remember rebel generals are easier to bribe than the enemy factional generals.

EDIT: thats the only time i use the auto_win. All other rebels not meeting the conditions above are not messed with.

**Danest** · 11-20-2007, 22:02

Rebels may be spawning as a result of unrest or cultural differences, or a lack of law bonuses, which can all exist even in a province with 170% happiness... I've been experimenting with combating unrest and making law to see if it helps, I think it does.

**overweightninja** · 11-20-2007, 22:45

IIRC the script places some rebel stacks too, to prevent AI over-expansion, the huge respawning stacks in the alps are a good example.
Cheers

**Tellos Athenaios** · 11-20-2007, 22:53

And those will not go away after simply "messing with them". They will... reappear!

**Treverer** · 11-20-2007, 23:44

Originally Posted by Tellos Athenaios

And those will not go away after simply "messing with them". They will... reappear!

Maybe I've overseen something, but once you manage to conquer one (or more) provinces of the Alpes, how do the "reappearing" rebells/eleutheroi/boii behave? Will they conquer the settlement? And can I, as a player, deal with this? I mean: how can I deal with a full stack of quality troops every turn until ... well, until the of my game? Or is there any way to breake this "devil's circle"? (I'm not asking how to breake it.)

Yours, T.

**Tellos Athenaios** · 11-20-2007, 23:57

Well if you conquer a settlement the scripted army that is assigned to said settlement should eventually cease to exist. *But* as some poor fellow experienced in his Sweboz campaign: mess with another scripted army settlement and lose -> army comes looking for revenge...

(The army may lay siege on your previously conquered scripted army settlement. And if it does manage to conquer that back... Who knows the army you got yourself eventually rid of may appear yet again on your or the AI's following attempt to reconquer the forest.)

EDIT: The thing is... those scripted armies aren't simply guards in sitting duck mode. Internally the principle has been/was/is called Roving General; which kinda explains it pretty well. The army will move within a certain radius of the scripted army settlements... and vanquish everything it can.

**Treverer** · 11-21-2007, 00:04

Uff, as I thought it would be impossible to get rid of those socalled "über"-stacks. Ah, well ... one need to prepare this properly: four full stacks, many spies, and some time between the conquest of the next province.

Ok, thank you for the answer,
Treverer

P.S.: Yes, I've understood the principle of the "roving-generals-guarding-a-settlement", as it was hinted already here and there.

**Tellos Athenaios** · 11-21-2007, 00:50

Btw, do you remember those swordsmen on the Oppidum walls in the 1.0 Gallic Teaser?

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

**Treverer** · 11-21-2007, 01:03

Originally Posted by Tellos Athenaios

Btw, do you remember those swordsmen on the Oppidum walls in the 1.0 Gallic Teaser?

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

"You're talking to me? You're talking to ME???" - Taxi Driver

--- Seriously, no, I'm standing in the wood, sitting on the cable ... or whatever methaphore is used in your language/country.

T.

**Treverer** · 11-21-2007, 01:18

Originally Posted by Treverer

"You're talking to me? You're talking to ME???" - Taxi Driver

--- Seriously, no, I'm standing in the wood, sitting on the cable ... or whatever methaphore is used in your language/country.

T.

No longer I'm standing in the wood, sitting on the cable ... or whatever methaphore is used in your language/country.

T.