Results 1 to 30 of 49

Thread: Is there a 'realistic' use for mercenaries?

Hybrid View

Previous Post Previous Post   Next Post Next Post
  1. #1
    Guest Dayve's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    England
    Posts
    1,659

    Default Re: Is there a 'realistic' use for mercenaries?

    I don't understand the mentality of mercenaries. They're putting their lives on the line for money. They're not fighiting because the state requires a 16-year military service from them, they're not fighting out of patriotism or for their country, they're fighting for money and the chance to legally rape women if they're lucky enough to be involved in taking a town. So, obviously they want to be alive to spend all the hard earned money you pay them for fighting.

    Does this mean that it was the mercenaries who 'called the shots' rather than the commander that hired them? For instance, imagine a commander putting them on the front line against a tough enemy here there's a bloody good chance they'll be killed. Would they have the right to tell the commander where to shove his commands, or would they have to follow orders?

    On the one hand, the commander has bought them so he has the right to throw their lives away in a tactical sacrifice if he so wishes. On the other hand they don't want to put themselves in too much danger because they want to be able to spend all the money and loot they recieve for their services.

    Or were mercenaries just bands of men who had little to live for and enjoyed battle, regardless of the danger?

  2. #2
    EB annoying hornet Member bovi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    Norway
    Posts
    11,796

    Default Re: Is there a 'realistic' use for mercenaries?

    Quite probably a number of mercenaries did enjoy that life and the dangers it brought. I also think that a number of them were dismissed soldiers that no longer had the land/equipment/inclination to take up their previous professions, if they had one. Those would probably continue doing what they do best.

    Of course the mercenaries did not take over command. I do believe they would not go alone though, but rather along with the main host. First into the breach? Taking a huge risk? Quite possibly. Attacking with near-certain death while the employer refuses to go the same place? I know I wouldn't. Perhaps the mercenary Gaesatae or others who crave a glorious death.

    Having problems getting EB2 to run? Try these solutions.
    ================
    I do NOT answer PM requests for help with EB. Ask in a new help thread in the tech help forum.
    ================
    I think computer viruses should count as life. I think it says something about human nature that the only form of life we have created so far is purely destructive. We've created life in our own image. - Stephen Hawking

  3. #3
    Member Member Intranetusa's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    Maryland, USA
    Posts
    1,247

    Default Re: Is there a 'realistic' use for mercenaries?

    Quote Originally Posted by bovi

    Of course the mercenaries did not take over command. I do believe they would not go alone though, but rather along with the main host. First into the breach? Taking a huge risk? Quite possibly. Attacking with near-certain death while the employer refuses to go the same place? I know I wouldn't. Perhaps the mercenary Gaesatae or others who crave a glorious death.

    Or that battle quote about how the mercenaries hired by Epieros rebelled and took over an Epierot garrison.
    "Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind...but there is one thing that science cannot accept - and that is a personal God who meddles in the affairs of his creation."
    -Albert Einstein




  4. #4

    Default Re: Is there a 'realistic' use for mercenaries?

    I guess quite many mercs were simply employed to serve as a loyal force to keep the people from rebelling when the employer was out in the field on campaign. Or as loyal garrisons to keep the province from rebelling...

    As such their job wouldn't have been particularly difficult: it mostly required them to be somewhere and to stage a parade every now and then when an important someone from 'central government' payed the town a visit.

    And if they did go on campaign their job could be much more lucrative. Within a few months they potentially could earn so much by taking it from newly subjugated peoples that they only needed to spend some years in service to buy themselves a retirement.
    - Tellos Athenaios
    CUF tool - XIDX - PACK tool - SD tool - EVT tool - EB Install Guide - How to track down loading CTD's - EB 1.1 Maps thread


    ὁ δ᾽ ἠλίθιος ὣσπερ πρόβατον βῆ βῆ λέγων βαδίζει” – Kratinos in Dionysalexandros.

  5. #5
    Member Member Intranetusa's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    Maryland, USA
    Posts
    1,247

    Default Re: Is there a 'realistic' use for mercenaries?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tellos Athenaios
    I guess quite many mercs were simply employed to serve as a loyal force to keep the people from rebelling when the employer was out in the field on campaign. Or as loyal garrisons to keep the province from rebelling...
    I'm not sure mercs would be used as a garrison since they could rebel and take over a garrison/city. I know I sure wouldn't trust mercenaries to defend my most vital cities...(unless I'm Carthage)
    "Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind...but there is one thing that science cannot accept - and that is a personal God who meddles in the affairs of his creation."
    -Albert Einstein




  6. #6
    Whatever Member konny's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Germania Inferior
    Posts
    1,787

    Default Re: Is there a 'realistic' use for mercenaries?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tellos Athenaios
    And if they did go on campaign their job could be much more lucrative. Within a few months they potentially could earn so much by taking it from newly subjugated peoples that they only needed to spend some years in service to buy themselves a retirement.

    That was probably the most common reason for people to become mercs.

    We are getting a better and better image of the social composition of former mercenary armies by indepth research of the mercenary armies of the 30 Years Wars (I think that is the earliest periode for which it can be done so). It turns out that there was no "mercenary class" different to the "civilians' class", but that there was a lot of movement between both groups: Citizens taking arms to seek their fortune as a mercenary and mercenaries retiring to a civil profession after a few years.

    That makes it even more understandable why mercenaries were always eager to fight (and plunder!). They regarded their living as a soldier only as a temporary employment, and a short way to make money. Beeing occupied with lengthy sieges or staying in camps without going on campaign meant for them to serve a year more before they'll get the chance to make profit out of their soldiery.


    Another thing is that there was a high corps spirit within the single mercenary groops (on the level of a company or regimental equivalent). So, it is more unlikely that a groop of mercenaries would have refused to be placed on a dangerous position of the battleline. Because once they had been known as cowards or unreliable they would have had severe difficulties to find another army willing to employ them later.


    I don't think that the mercenary society of the Ancient Times did differe from that very much, especially because most cultures had some kind of militia force, what meant that weapons and armour in civil possesion, and the knowledge to use them, was even more common than in the Early Modern Times.
    Last edited by konny; 11-24-2007 at 11:31.

    Disclaimer: my posts are to be considered my private opinion and not offical statements by the EB Team

  7. #7

    Default Re: Is there a 'realistic' use for mercenaries?

    Originally Posted by Intranetusa
    I'm not sure mercs would be used as a garrison since they could rebel and take over a garrison/city
    The mercs were used also because they wouldn't betray . They were getting rich. When a king would expect that his men would betray he would hire mercs for safety. An example is the late Bizantyne Empire , the emperor hired mercs The Varangian Guard (norseman mercs very strong and reliable).

    Another thing is that mercs as I know in the medieval ages were spared after a battle and released but I think this was in a chivalry battle.
    Last edited by an_do_89; 11-24-2007 at 14:11.

  8. #8
    Member Member Intranetusa's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    Maryland, USA
    Posts
    1,247

    Default Re: Is there a 'realistic' use for mercenaries?

    Quote Originally Posted by an_do_89
    The mercs were used also because they wouldn't betray . They were getting rich. When a king would expect that his men would betray he would hire mercs for safety. An example is the late Bizantyne Empire , the emperor hired mercs The Varangian Guard (norseman mercs very strong and reliable).

    Another thing is that mercs as I know in the medieval ages were spared after a battle and released but I think this was in a chivalry battle.
    Well, I guess that's "usually" true...except for the case of rebelling Carthaginian mercenaries or mercenaries hired by Epieros that betrayed them and mercenaries that started working for Romans.
    "Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind...but there is one thing that science cannot accept - and that is a personal God who meddles in the affairs of his creation."
    -Albert Einstein




Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Single Sign On provided by vBSSO