Desperate measures

[woad&fangs]

Rabbit used the quotes of famous people to make his side seem more respectable. I countered with my own respectable people. I just didn't realize that Gandhi and Jesus were actually on his side .

I burst out in laughter when I saw those quotes. Next time I'll make sure about a historical figures beliefs before I drag them into a debate

Edit: I do believe that the scripture was taken out of context but I haven't been able to figure out exactly what Jesus meant by that statement yet.

[Tribesman]

Edit: I do believe that the scripture was taken out of context but I haven't been able to figure out exactly what Jesus meant by that statement yet.

Well while only one Gospel has that actual line it along with two others follow on with the events and the theme , and they certainly don't correspond with .... That certainly sounds like a suggestion to arm one’s self.
...in reality the opposite is true .

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

In order for Jesus to be numbered among the transgressors the transgressors have to transgress. I.e. his diciples, when armed, become armed rebels. 22.38 makes it clear they only had two swords between the lot of them, and remember what Jesus said to Peter when he used one.

[Husar]

Swords <> guns!

[Don Corleone]

Come on Tribesamn. I know you have an axe to grind with CR, but this is low.

One of the favorite arguments of the Left is to co-opt scripture, and justify everything from not being able to defend yourself to outright Marxism. All CR did was answer in the same vein of a charge levelled at him, and you need to start a separate thread, just to name-call (desparate, I think was the word you used) ?

You can do better. This is beneath you.

[Husar]

What Don says is actually true, and it's not the first time you did that, Tribes.
I'll always love you but this needs to stop.

[Boyar Son]

To some yes.

But me no

Because in every debate some brings out religion or uses Christianity as an ex. and when I say something back with another religion ex. I'm called "desparate"...

take the grave digging debate for ex.

[Odin]

What Don says is actually true, and it's not the first time you did that, Tribes.
I'll always love you but this needs to stop.

Well this is one way to look at it ( ) and yes it lacks originality on his part given the history, however it dosent negate the fact that religion was used in a formal debate format.

In the context of the debate, CR certainly made a point with a decent reference to a popular mythos, but its still an infrence to something that isnt based on a fact. That makes it a valid critique IMHO.

However in reflection, perhaps it would be better to have a formal rebutall thread to debates after they have occurred with Sigurd presiding.

[Don Corleone]

Well this is one way to look at it ( ) and yes it lacks originality on his part given the history, however it dosent negate the fact that religion was used in a formal debate format.

In the context of the debate, CR certainly made a point with a decent reference to a popular mythos, but its still an infrence to something that isnt based on a fact. That makes it a valid critique IMHO.

However in reflection, perhaps it would be better to have a formal rebutall thread to debates after they have occurred with Sigurd presiding.

Come on Odin, be fair. Wadlinger said "Jesus would be opposed to handguns". CR answered him with a direct quote indicating maybe Jesus wouldn't be, and you ding CR for it?

And using terms like myth to describe somebody's current belief system is rude. You know, I could talk about freedom and self-determination as cute, but childish and ultimately small-minded ideals, but even if I felt that way, I'd respect your views enough to find more polite language.

But hey, a bunch of troglodytes staring at shadows on the wall are we, and such is our lot. Myths it is, I suppose.

[Devastatin Dave]

This is beneath you.

Is that even possible?

Wow, first post in weeks and its in a Tribes thread... who woulda thunk it...
Oh I almost forgot....

[Don Corleone]

Of course it's possible. Tribesman, despite his sarcasm and caustic wit at times, is actually a pretty sharp fellow and rumor has it, gracious (I've even seen it once or twice). If I thought this was all he was capable of, I would have tired of calling him on it long ago.

And by the way, not your classiest move either, Dave.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

The answer to the Question posited in the original post would be, for me:

It depends on the audience.

For certain audiences, bringing forth a biblical reference that is both argumentatively apt and that follows the generally accepted exigesis of that passage would be a powerful point.

Conversely, for an audience largely populated with detractors of organized religion, it would be viewed as a sign of weakness -- they interpret such a referant as being "faith" based and therefore invalid prima facie.

For a mixed audience, this type of reference would likely carry no more, and no less, weight than would the citing of a "proverb" or other aphorism.

In terms of argumentative debate -- warrant, claim, evidence, etc. -- the use of any aphorism is of little value as there is no provable/verifiable component; regardless of the religiosity of that aphorism.

Backroom discussion, as you may have noticed, do not follow the formal rules of argumenation to any great degree.


Tribes: your OP question is a bit leading -- your phrasing seems to point to a desired answer. Don C may be a little more annoyed about it than I, but his critique is valid.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Rabbit used the quotes of famous people to make his side seem more respectable. I countered with my own respectable people. I just didn't realize that Gandhi and Jesus were actually on his side .

I burst out in laughter when I saw those quotes. Next time I'll make sure about a historical figures beliefs before I drag them into a debate

Edit: I do believe that the scripture was taken out of context but I haven't been able to figure out exactly what Jesus meant by that statement yet.

I smiled when I saw who you brought up.


CR

[PanzerJaeger]

It is rather obvious that CR did not base his arguments on faith. It was in fact only one line and only in response to a faith based answer from the other poster. This thread is in fact nothing more than the usual pathetic snipe we've come to expect.

Don's right, who's the desperate one?

[Tribesman]

Could you clarify your answer the question posed Don ?

is quoting a line of scripture generally viewed as an act of desperation when it comes to attempting to show justification for a position ?

That was all that was asked .
And your response....One of the favorite arguments of the Left is to co-opt scripture, and justify everything from not being able to defend yourself to outright Marxism....does appear to be in the affirmative .