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    Thanks a lot this explains everything i need to know.

    Im in as the french & my friend told me you could just by a crusading cross from idse de france or the main province of the french but it didnt let me.
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    No sweat, there's a bunch of people way more knowledgeable that me in this place so it's good to ask. I'm learning a lot here as well.

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    In addition to Heidrek's wonderful post, you can't crusade if you're excommed and you can't launch a second crusade before the current one is resolved. (You can train as many crusade markers as you wish though.) Provinces with higher zeal will contribute more units to your crusades. It's a good (and evil ) way of weakening your fellow catholic neighbours.
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    And a few notes on retraining:

    - Retraining will give the unit armour and attack bonusses if the appropriote building are in the province. Regional valour bonusses and morale bonusses can't be added with retraining.

    - You can't retrain your king, but he'll replenish his unit on his own. So, unfortionatly you can't tech up your king ones he is crowned.

    - You can retrain your heir but be careful with that. If the old king dies when the heir is in the retraining cue, it is very likely that the game crashes in some way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peasant Phill
    - You can't retrain your king, but he'll replenish his unit on his own. So, unfortionatly you can't tech up your king ones he is crowned.

    - You can retrain your heir but be careful with that. If the old king dies when the heir is in the retraining cue, it is very likely that the game crashes in some way.
    On the first note, if you're heir isn't teched up at the time he is crowned, since as the heir is crowned in the most advanced province you have, he may be auto-teched by the game. So, if you're heir comes of age in a province with just a Fort...he won't have many upgrades going for him. But if he is crowned in a province with the Master Armourer and a Metalsmith, and hasn't been teched up to those levels yet, he'll be granted them instantly.

    And on the second note...sometimes I've encountered CTD issues with retraining non-heir units, but I don't know what causes it. Of course, the one time it was an heir, my king died very soon after as it was...something very strange happening in the process. I decided to remove my prince from the retrain queue, but I did it in the review panel, not the recruitmen/retrain panel, and the next unit, a FMAA...it got a strange name, like 'King Roman Numerals ###' or something...took that guy out, put him back in, and wham! CTD...

    Don't forget that retraining may also add morale to the unit you're retraining - I think, anyway. I hope! LOL!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mouzafphaerre
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    In addition to Heidrek's wonderful post, you can't crusade if you're excommed and you can't launch a second crusade before the current one is resolved. (You can train as many crusade markers as you wish though.)
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    Actually, I've had exactly one exception to this. There was one time, and one time only, where, as the Spanish, the Pope let me launch two different crusades at the Almohods during the same time span. Not exactly common, certainly, but it is possible to get a second one going at the same time. I wouldn't exactly be counting on it, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kamikhaan
    Actually, I've had exactly one exception to this. There was one time, and one time only, where, as the Spanish, the Pope let me launch two different crusades at the Almohods during the same time span. Not exactly common, certainly, but it is possible to get a second one going at the same time. I wouldn't exactly be counting on it, though.
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    Interesting. It might be that the Pope changed meanwhile (the one allowing the first crusade died and a new one was elected) but that's a wild guess.
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    That would make no difference as it's it's the "papacy" entity and not the papacy faction or it's faction leader that allow crusades. I have seen this before also and it often occurs when the pope has specifically ordered "free" crusades against his enemies.
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    I thought in MTW/VI, the Pope has one bit memory regarding crusading: only 1 crusade at a time. But then I am just proved wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kamikhaan
    Actually, I've had exactly one exception to this. There was one time, and one time only, where, as the Spanish, the Pope let me launch two different crusades at the Almohods during the same time span. Not exactly common, certainly, but it is possible to get a second one going at the same time. I wouldn't exactly be counting on it, though.
    I suspect the second one was possible because the pope had asked about crusades against that enemy afterwards.

    It think I've seen the Italians with 3 crusades once, all against me . Might been 2 though, my magnificant screene was appearently lost to the nasty format C:. I do know that HRE and France had 2 crusades against me as well. Was alot of crusades in that game.
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    i have a crusade of just over a thousand men headed for Palestine with sicilians but i cant get them off malta.

    I have ship leading straight to the province but they just wont mave.

    Anybody any ideass
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    Check the following:

    1) Does Malta have a port?

    2) Do you have fleets of ships in the following seas?

    a) Malta Channel, Gulf of Sidra, Nile Coast

    or an alternative route:

    b) Malta Channel, Central Mediterranean (Deep Sea), Nile Coast

    c) If for some reason you're taking a longer route, check that you have fleets in every sea between the port of embarkation and disembarkation.

    3) Check that no ships belonging to the faction currently owning Palestine are in any seas on the route.

    4) Check for any of your enemies' ships on the route. Hold down the "v" key to show the status of provinces. Red are blockaded, green are passable and brown are where you have none of your fleets present and neither do your enemies.
    Last edited by caravel; 11-29-2007 at 21:41.
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