The Error that is Man

[Papewaio]

Centuries is a rather short time frame.

[Warmaster Horus]

In the words of Basil Fawlty: "We're stuck with it, I guess."

I don't think you can categorize the whole of man like that. We're all different, even though we've got the same instincts. I do admit lying, maybe once or twice cheating, but have otherwise tried to be exemplar. Of course, I'm only 16, so my view of the world is rather limited, but all the same...

I don't understand one thing, though:

For instance, I recall one person -- a fellow student from my college -- with whom I debated about some topic. He actually gave me his opinion and his belief. Why would his subjective opinion and belief be of any interest?

You were debating about something, and he told you what he thought of it. What's wrong in that? And how would the "debate" move on, without his input?

[Charge]

No!

[KukriKhan]

The existence of man must be an error. The existence of man must be a bad joke.... nay: existence of nature, physics, itself as we know it, and us part of it, must be an error.

Perhaps. But by whom?

'Error' implies its opposite: correct. We've read your examples of human error; what would be human correctness (or correct function?)?

[Justiciar]

Rabid monsters, brutal parasites, thoughtless drones.. meh. It's a valid existence. Besides, as a species our flaws are more than made up for. I mean.. look at this.. I'm communicating with you, directly, from what may the other side of the world. Let's see a Dolphin do that!

[Ayachuco]

Hey! What about the Wo-Man in the world. I support the feminist movement b/c my Mom dominates me and my dad.

Perhaps it is our primitiveness is what makes us so great. If you strip away our emotions, passions, and vices you are left with a robot. It may be perfect, yes, but it has nothing to strive for. It doesn't question or improve; it only performs its task and gets it done w/o thinking about the consequences or benefits of its actions.
My Mom is once again dominating me and telling me to get off the computer so I will add more once I get more time.

[Papewaio]

I'm communicating with you, directly, from what may the other side of the world. Let's see a Dolphin do that!

Would you
a) Have a swim, eat seafood and have copious quantities of sex.
OR
b) Communicate on the internet.

[Mongoose]

Would you
a) Have a swim, eat seafood and have copious quantities of sex.
OR
b) Communicate on the internet.

Would you rather be on the internet or in a tuna net? The dolphin, delicious though it may be, has nothing on us.

As for the topic, we might be in immoral species, but on a whole we're better than most other forms of life on this planet. Obviously, nobody is perfect, but we're still better than anything else that we know of on this planet, so there's no need to single out humanity. I, for one, would like to see an essay on the evils and moral failings of bears for a change.

And if we've learned anything from George Orwell's Animal Farm, it's that if we give them the chance, animals like pigs and dogs will act just as badly as we do. And as if that wasn't bad enough, they're also communists!

[Bijo]

In the words of Basil Fawlty: "We're stuck with it, I guess."

I don't think you can categorize the whole of man like that. We're all different, even though we've got the same instincts. I do admit lying, maybe once or twice cheating, but have otherwise tried to be exemplar. Of course, I'm only 16, so my view of the world is rather limited, but all the same...

I don't understand one thing, though:
You were debating about something, and he told you what he thought of it. What's wrong in that? And how would the "debate" move on, without his input?

You have given the answer yourself more or less: the same instincts. Only different when we regard the little details and physical differences and so on, but these details are not so important. It is the big picture we focus on, and this big picture shows us that many are alike which is sufficient information. Only if really necessary the subtle differences are to be checked.

What is wrong with that person in question is the fact he contributed his opinion and beliefs which are "subjective" in nature. How will you determine what is true or false with opinions and beliefs? You won't. Consistent logic will.

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Perhaps. But by whom?

'Error' implies its opposite: correct. We've read your examples of human error; what would be human correctness (or correct function?)?

The control of primitive natural aspects (emotion, passion, selfish desires, conflict (inner and outer)), the ascension to high intellect, truth, wisdom, peace, logic, spirituality, morality, science.

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Perhaps it is our primitiveness is what makes us so great. If you strip away our emotions, passions, and vices you are left with a robot. It may be perfect, yes, but it has nothing to strive for. It doesn't question or improve; it only performs its task and gets it done w/o thinking about the consequences or benefits of its actions.

You are saying it is my position that a "robot" -- here defined by YOU -- would be perfect?

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How is your subjective opinion and belief of any interest?

Eh, screw it...

Why do you hate freedom?

You are saying I gave my subjective opinion and belief in the original post? Can you prove I have done so? When reading that post one should detect facts and some words some would consider pessimistic, but not opinion nor belief.

You are telling me -- and it is disguised as a question -- my position or part of my position is that I hate freedom? First define what freedom is. Then can you prove I hate it?

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The whole point is that even with intellect that is superior to other animals we know of this Earth, generally man is still a primitive beast after all these many many ages. Technology is one thing, but the human itself is another. Our technology level is being increased, but we leave our basic human primitivity to exist. We know -- and many probably do not or don't even THINK -- of this wretched (human) nature, so let us do effort to learn the truth and eliminate these wretched human aspects. The basic intellect is there, now... use it to ascend already.

If one does not, one is primitive

[Innocentius]

I basically agree with the original post, but then again it's all pointless and there's nothing worth anything, so it doesn't really matter.

[Husar]

You are saying I gave my subjective opinion and belief in the original post? Can you prove I have done so?

Can you prove you haven't done so?
I'd say most people here enter their own opinion, those who don't should prove that they don't. But then it's hard to find out what's really going on in your head either way.

When reading that post one should detect facts and some words some would consider pessimistic, but not opinion nor belief.

That's the problem, your opinion, and yes I call it that, seems to stem from some bad experience or whatever and my experience differs, thus I don't think you provided any universal facts. They may or may not apply to certain people but they're definitely not universal.

The whole point is that even with intellect that is superior to other animals we know of this Earth, generally man is still a primitive beast after all these many many ages.

Believe it or not but some or many of those beasts seem to be happier than higher beings like you. There's nothing wrong with being primitive or stupid as long as it makes you happy. Also if we're actually that primitive than maybe we're too primitive to become better. We're there to be and stay primitive, it's our destiny and you're just some weird artifact, trying to revolt but ultimately destined to fail and be unhappy.

We know -- and many probably do not or don't even THINK -- of this wretched (human) nature, so let us do effort to learn the truth and eliminate these wretched human aspects. The basic intellect is there, now... use it to ascend already.

If one does not, one is primitive

We should introduce a happy monkey day to celebrate our stupid feelings, emotuions and all the other stuff that makes us happy, primitive monkeys.

[Andres]

We should introduce a happy monkey day to celebrate our stupid feelings, emotuions and all the other stuff that makes us happy, primitive monkeys.

Are you mocking my avatar again?

[Vladimir]

It's beyond me how anyone can call man primitive. Is there another species to compare us to? Preferably one that isn't tasty, low in fat, and high in protein.

[Conradus]

What is wrong with that person in question is the fact he contributed his opinion and beliefs which are "subjective" in nature. How will you determine what is true or false with opinions and beliefs? You won't. Consistent logic will.

How can you debate if you aren't allowed to use opinions and beliefs? You can't/shouldn't debate on facts.

[Kagemusha]

Bijo, do you consider yourself a man/ human?

[Husar]

Bijo, do you consider yourself a man/ human?

He might be an octosquid agent!

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I don't think derailing threads is an emotion so I should not make myself look any more stupid by this.

[AntiochusIII]

*cough* Undergraduate Philosophy Student *cough*

Also, *ahem* pseudo-evolutionary science *ahem*

He might be an octosquid agent!

STOP GIVING OPINIONS!