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Originally Posted by Andres:
It's very sad when two people die so young, but it seems like they only have themselves to blame...
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Originally Posted by The Article
Police sources have said that in Sunday's incident, the motorcycle was going at top speed and was not registered for street use, while the two teenagers were not wearing helmets and had been ignoring traffic rules.
There, fixed it....It's very sad when two people die so young, but it seems like they only have themselves to blame...
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Originally Posted by The Article
Police sources have said that in Sunday's incident, the motorcycle was going at top speed and was not registered for street use, while the two teenagers were not wearing helmets and had been ignoring traffic rules.
Compared to the banlieux version where they put it in reverse, drove over them again, and again, and well again, pretty much believable.
Maybe its time we stopped looking at rioting french muslim teenagers as alienation, and started looking at it as assimilation?
Did we do this joke last time? Apologies if so
Did we do this joke last time? Apologies if so
Originally Posted by macsen rufus:
There, fixed it....
According to the article, local residents claimed the youths crashed into the police car, not vice-versa. And that wasn't police-sources, that was people in the neighborhood where the 2 youths died.There, fixed it....
I understand what Tristuskhan is saying... that even if the kids were guilty, it is very suspicious to have the police investegating themselves. Don't you guys have citizen review boards? Even in benighted, backwater USA, most major city police forces have a citizen's review board they have to go before when something smells fishy.
It sounds to me that Fragony is right though. If they're rioting because of the two teenagers dying, they'd riot over anything.
And after that first police officer got shot with a shotgun, the police should have started firing back with real ammo. It's no wonder they're rioting, they don't take the police very seriously.
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If they're rioting because of the two teenagers dying, they'd riot over anything.
Its a French thing , if they weren't rioting they would probably be on strike .If they're rioting because of the two teenagers dying, they'd riot over anything.
what is it with police cars and bikes that can make an angry crowd ?
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Originally Posted by Don Corleone:
it is very suspicious to have the police investegating themselves.
Justice department handles that directly, but it's not perfect.it is very suspicious to have the police investegating themselves.
I think the French police is too lax. They know the rioters will riot for whatever reason if it only involved the police. If the rioters are armed, my belief is that police should counter same with same. I.e. if they are shot at, shoot back.
If the police don't show that they have some authority (besides moral authority) or control, they need not be surprised that rioters find the courage to cause tremendous damage.
A few shot rioters later and there should be much more calm around France in terms of riots. In general, its usually ringleaders and vocal individuals that manage to gather an angry mob, but the mob tends to disperse if the leaders are lost or they notice that those riots are not without danger to their own lives either.
If the police don't show that they have some authority (besides moral authority) or control, they need not be surprised that rioters find the courage to cause tremendous damage.
A few shot rioters later and there should be much more calm around France in terms of riots. In general, its usually ringleaders and vocal individuals that manage to gather an angry mob, but the mob tends to disperse if the leaders are lost or they notice that those riots are not without danger to their own lives either.
I wonder what % of these people are mu... oh never mind... 
Originally Posted by FactionHeir:
I think the French police is too lax. They know the rioters will riot for whatever reason if it only involved the police. If the rioters are armed, my belief is that police should counter same with same. I.e. if they are shot at, shoot back.
If the police don't show that they have some authority (besides moral authority) or control, they need not be surprised that rioters find the courage to cause tremendous damage.
A few shot rioters later and there should be much more calm around France in terms of riots. In general, its usually ringleaders and vocal individuals that manage to gather an angry mob, but the mob tends to disperse if the leaders are lost or they notice that those riots are not without danger to their own lives either.
The problem, my friend, is that a few fourteen years old shot rioters later, it's just civil war... Those rioters who hold the guns are well behind the frontline (long range shotgun fire - what our dear peace force took last night - is a stupid weapon, and a bad "war" practice) and won't get shot. The mob is young, my friend, and I really don't think a handfull of (gunless) youth killed would make anyone "calm".I think the French police is too lax. They know the rioters will riot for whatever reason if it only involved the police. If the rioters are armed, my belief is that police should counter same with same. I.e. if they are shot at, shoot back.
If the police don't show that they have some authority (besides moral authority) or control, they need not be surprised that rioters find the courage to cause tremendous damage.
A few shot rioters later and there should be much more calm around France in terms of riots. In general, its usually ringleaders and vocal individuals that manage to gather an angry mob, but the mob tends to disperse if the leaders are lost or they notice that those riots are not without danger to their own lives either.
Just one thing about the shotgun use: the shotguns we have in france are small calibered, for use in bird and rabbit hunting only. Larger game is to be hunted with bullets only. Used at long range, it is definitely not deadly (just a nuisance for shielded troops). The police was able to perform it's mission despite this threat, without using guns. So the lack of reply by the police force was the good choice. If they can act without releasing bullets, there is no reason to open fire (and be fired at in reply, and with the few serious weapons "stockpiled" in the bloks.
But it should not happen, look: the police force controls the situation without the use of guns. What a blessing to have such a skillful and moderate police
Instant info from the french national radio: it seems quite smooth tonigh... not calm.... but sporadic. light skirmishes only. But there is football on TV tonigh. Horse races result: 7-3-10.
Originally Posted by Tristuskhan:
The problem, my friend, is that a few fourteen years old
Indeed, we used to laugh about that in a LOL@BRAZIL'esque way, but now it's there, 14 year olds completily out of control. So the hardcore is not at the frontlines? That works both ways, the watercannon will no doubt shock the 14 year old fodder enough to make them run home to mamma, leaving the true muhamadin exposed, but no.The problem, my friend, is that a few fourteen years old
Ah, that brings back good memories...last year a minor riot broke out in Amsterdam when a Maroccan boy crashed his scooter into a street latern and died, while fleeing from a single cop who, as it turned out, wasn't even chasing him 
That was just after the previous rounds of riots in France, so apparently some people do take lessons from this sort of thing.
That was just after the previous rounds of riots in France, so apparently some people do take lessons from this sort of thing.
Originally Posted by Kralizec:
Ah, that brings back good memories...last year a minor riot broke out in Amsterdam when a Maroccan boy crashed his scooter into a street latern and died, while fleeing from a single cop who, as it turned out, wasn't even chasing him
Ah, that brings back good memories...last year a minor riot broke out in Amsterdam when a Maroccan boy crashed his scooter into a street latern and died, while fleeing from a single cop who, as it turned out, wasn't even chasing him
Agreed... So I don't think the Republic must wage war on his own stupid kids. No matter how stupid they are... Cops have a bad life in the suburbs, but they have their lives really threatened when dealing with grand banditisme, bankrobbers and outlaws who have true guns, ammunition and know how to use it. Those deserve bullets, as well as the (few) terrorist networks. Rioters setting fire in furniture stores or pillaging supermarkets don't.
Look at the rioters, they are the poor, alienated, discriminatated against downtrodden minority immigrants from the tenament suburbs that resemble the worst of the British inner cities.. How surprised are you at that? Because of the way they are treated in French society as a whole this was a powder keg just waiting to explode.
Look at the rioters, they are the indolent, free loading, unsociable migrant (and their offspring) dregs of society that are not interested in making a better life for themselves in a western capitalist society. Far easier to live in the self imposed ghettos with a chip on your shoulder and take offence at everything that this society can offer you, whilst at the same time taking everything this society will offer you financially.
I have a very close French friend (in Valence) and when I visit , we sit out late and talk about all sorts of things. But one thing that is very reminiscant of Britain is the problems with these types of riots, anyone remember Bradford or Oldham? Again, immigrant families with chips on shoulders that will riot because their cousin got arrested for drug dealing or some such nonsense. This was just an excuse to riot for no other reason than they wanted to in my opinion.
Look at the rioters, they are the indolent, free loading, unsociable migrant (and their offspring) dregs of society that are not interested in making a better life for themselves in a western capitalist society. Far easier to live in the self imposed ghettos with a chip on your shoulder and take offence at everything that this society can offer you, whilst at the same time taking everything this society will offer you financially.
I have a very close French friend (in Valence) and when I visit , we sit out late and talk about all sorts of things. But one thing that is very reminiscant of Britain is the problems with these types of riots, anyone remember Bradford or Oldham? Again, immigrant families with chips on shoulders that will riot because their cousin got arrested for drug dealing or some such nonsense. This was just an excuse to riot for no other reason than they wanted to in my opinion.
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