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    The Greek phalanxes in vanilla RTW are tough to beat, especially if they have missile support. Considering how nasty the Egyptians can be, I wouldn't be surprised if they bit off more than they could chew in that campaign.
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    Well,i seen them take some cities in Asia Minor,me playing as Parthia,but i came and conquered all Middleast,so no more Greeks in east.Right now i control Corinth and Athenes in Greece,fighting with Brutii and Scipii stacks there,and preparing for siege of last stronghold of the Greek City-states,Sparta.Though,they still fights off some lesser Scipii assaults.

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    Egypt always becomes a power house but I find them comparatively weak when ecountering or playing as them, yet from my experience thougher nearby enemies such as the seleucids, carthaginians or pontos are always crushed by them. The result is that by the time Ive reached asia minor with the brutii, that im only left with facing the inbred yellow menace!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moosemanmoo
    Egypt always becomes a power house but I find them comparatively weak when ecountering or playing as them, yet from my experience thougher nearby enemies such as the seleucids, carthaginians or pontos are always crushed by them. The result is that by the time Ive reached asia minor with the brutii, that im only left with facing the inbred yellow menace!
    Egypt certainly does seem to start weak. The Nubian Spearmen and even Nile Spearmen seem to have serious limitations. Cavalry and the early bowmen get cut up really easily.

    After getting to larger size cities though, train up Pharaoh's Guards and Pharaoh's Bowmen. Then send them to a city with a large temple of Horus for armour upgrades. For cavalry, use the heavy cavalry which will come available with one of the upgraded stable buildings. Hope that helps you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celt Centurion
    Egypt certainly does seem to start weak. The Nubian Spearmen and even Nile Spearmen seem to have serious limitations. Cavalry and the early bowmen get cut up really easily.

    After getting to larger size cities though, train up Pharaoh's Guards and Pharaoh's Bowmen. Then send them to a city with a large temple of Horus for armour upgrades. For cavalry, use the heavy cavalry which will come available with one of the upgraded stable buildings. Hope that helps you.

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    The three factors that make Egypt so strong in the campaign without being overwhelming on the battle-map are:
    1) They have a great, secure strategic position based around their three Nile cities. They face no significant threats from West, East or South, and their Seleucid neighbours to the North have got terrible problems.
    2) Lots of their troops get substantial bonuses in hot or desert climates. Given that they fight most of their battles in these climates, this gives them an inbuilt advantage which tends to swing auto-calc in their favour.
    3) Chariots are absurdly overvalued in autocalc, largely due to their bizarrely high morale. A small egyptian army led by a chariot-mounted family member will often pulverise a Seleucid full-stack in autocalc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celt Centurion
    Egypt certainly does seem to start weak. The Nubian Spearmen and even Nile Spearmen seem to have serious limitations. Cavalry and the early bowmen get cut up really easily.

    After getting to larger size cities though, train up Pharaoh's Guards and Pharaoh's Bowmen. Then send them to a city with a large temple of Horus for armour upgrades. For cavalry, use the heavy cavalry which will come available with one of the upgraded stable buildings. Hope that helps you.

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    Thanks for the advice, I'll use it whenever I get my head around how much I dislike Egypt

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    I think the only thing that prevents the Greeks from doing well is the pressure of the Romans on their western flank all the time. Usually they never recover from the loss of their Aegean trade base.

    I say this because during my Gallic campaign, I destroyed the Brutii before they had a chance to cross the sea - I had struck quickly on the Romans, hoping to prevent them from becoming incredibly powerful and difficult to defeat.

    This worked well enough, until about fifteen years later - as I was mopping up the last of the Romans and finally stabilizing my Spanish and northern frontiers, a full-stack Greek army emerges from the fog of war nad besieges Patavium! I quickly unveiled the fog and was shocked to see the entire Balkan region, white. The Greeks were the richest and most advanced faction, facing me, with the most territory and armies.

    They were virtually unstoppable in that campaign - I destroyed full stack after full stack. In the end the war was only resolved whne I landed a second army on the weakly held Peloppenese, taking Corinth, Sparta, Athens, and Larissa in rapid succession, bringing about a Greek colllapse.

    So, yes, the Greeks are definitely powerhouses absent Roman interference, but I"ve never seen them do well in the East. Odd.
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    Destroying the roman factions early is a race that I love and hate at the same time, it's irritatingly hard cause they seem programmed to win anyway, and other factions are too stupid to realise how dangerous they are. On the other hand it's far more exciting than bickering with neighbouring factions until a house of pain kills you both.

    I recently sent a parthian horse archer army to italy and slaughtered legion after legion. I didn't have the strength to actually take any cities though.
    I had wasted half of italy before the celts finally swarmed em

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