Knights Hospitaller & Knights Templar

[Galain_Ironhide]

I just finished my English Grand Campaign recently and have now just started a new campaign as the Turks so I'm not likely to come back across this for a while. But....

Throughout the whole campaign I was only ever offered hospitaller Guilds and never any Templar Guilds. However I noticed in the Custom Battle selection screen you can actually use both of knights. Is this the case in the GC? Or are you only limited to one type of Knight depending on your race?

Just curious.....

[Zim]

I'm not sure there are any limits by faction for the Hospitaller and Templar guilds, other than catholic factions only.

I think that once you build one Order's guild, you can't build any for other Orders, so you won't be offered any for them.

[_Tristan_]

What Zim just said...

You can't get the Templar line of Guilds once you've chosen the Hospitaller one... The latter is IMHO a much better choice as it gives a health bonus that Templar guilds do not, with the exact same troops...

[ReiseReise]

You can have either but not both. It is easier to get Hospitaller. You get points towards both for doing Crusades and having high Chivalry governers. You also get Hospitaller points for declaring war against Muslim nations, and having Muslim neighbors.

[Monsieur Alphonse]

Hospitallers are better knights as they can get an extra armor upgrade. You can have both if you capture a templar house when you already posses a hospitaller order house.

[Rhyfelwyr]

Also Knights Hospitaller have better discipline, and do not charge without orders.

[Galain_Ironhide]

Thanks for the answers

I must say during the campaign the Knights Hospitaller were one of my favorite units though. (This coming from an infantry fanatic )

Especially towards the end when I owned Caesaria, Trebizond and Adana which all had Hospitaller Guilds and I was able to pump out massive hordes of them. Alongside with 7-8 units of Retinue Longbowmen, 3-4 units of dism. English knights, 3 units of spears and a Kickass general, the poor mongols never had any chance.

[imnothere]

i tested, not sure if it is the case, but seems like Templars caused more casualties. ( i tested twice on vanilla. could be just me)

but i still prefer Hospitallers, - free health bonus at settlement and don't ran off after the first enemy chicken that show itself. God knows that it is hard enough to withdraw cavalry units that charged already. also extra armour upgrade (potential) could be a life-saver.

[mir]

So... here's an interesting hypothesis...

Say I'm playing HRE. And I obtain the Teutonic Knights.

I then capture several Italian or other Catholic faction cities, which already have Hospitaller, Santiago and/or Templar Chapters in them.

Are the buildings destroyed? Or can I then actually train up all of them?

Anyone ever see this happening?

[_Tristan_]

From my knowledge, capturing a city with a different kind of guild doen't opened up the recruiting capbility of that guild...

Playing as France, i captured a Spanish Knight of Santiago Guild and couldn't recruit a single one (didn't appear in the recruitment queue at all)

However, the building are not destroyed but I would advise you to do it otherwise those "guild slots" are taken up... and you won't be able to build any other guild in those captured settlements...

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong...

[JoeDreck]

you can't get other units, which you can't see in the single battle. hre are not list in the hospitaller lines.

edit: sorry, edit text. i wrote sh... and think something others.

[Jason X]

you can't recruit santiago, even if you capture a guild house, unless you are spain or portugal. similarly for capturing a teutonic if you are not HRE.

contrast this with the case where as any old catholic faction, you have a templar guild house and capture a hospitaller (or vice versa). this allows you to recruit both.

[TheLastPrivate]

A shame since Teutonic knights are arguably the best thanks to their AP maces and mailed horses..