What does everyone have against Rome?

[Dayve]

Everytime i see someone post that they're playing as Rome i see people boo'ing and whatnot. What gives?

[Pharnakes]

They're roman?


Sorry


Probably because they conqured everyone else, so anyone who likes just about any other faction by default hates the romans.

[Malik of Sindh]

I dislike them because they were only lucky,nothing more.And noone likes those who conquared the world.

[Kromulan]

ONLY LUCKY??
I think not. They were persistent, well organized, lucky, and (after ~mid 2nd century BC) very rich.


But I prefer to play other factions because I like to sack Roman cities.

[Spoofa]

their fat.

[The General]

I dislike them because they were only lucky,nothing more.

Not true.

Luck did play a part, but the Romans didn't just "get lucky".

And noone likes those who conquared the world.

More likely.

I personally, for example, tend to side with the smaller states/losing empires (the Celts, Byzantines, or for example, Finland in the Winter War [nationalistic feeling aside]).

[L.C.Cinna]

It was surely not pure luck...

I guess the main problem is that until mid 20th century (and even later) classic historians viewed the Roman Republic and classical Athens as the one and only great cultures or something like that (you know what I mean) and other cultures were seen as "minor" or "barbaric" when indeed each culture has it's own interesting and outstanding features.

now some people seem to react a bit sulky even and try to play the game the other way round ("Romans suck, they stole everything there ever was and were soooo cruel and everyone else was nice and so on and so on").

In the end each culture had its hights and lows and none is better and if you look at ROmans and Greeks for example they both benefited greatly from each other.

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In the end each culture had its hights and lows and none is better and if you look at ROmans and Greeks for example they both benefited greatly from each other.

Just out of curiosity, how exactly did the Greeks "benefit" from the Romans?
By getting conquered?

[Zangor]

Just out of curiosity, how exactly did the Greeks "benefit" from the Romans?
By getting conquered?

*pops out of lurking*

All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?

*runs off and hides again*

[quackingduck]

*All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?*

monty python teaches us so much

[TWFanatic]

Just out of curiosity, how exactly did the Greeks "benefit" from the Romans?
By getting conquered?

Freedom from the Macedonian yoke. Albeit they traded one master for another, but apparently the Rome was preferable to them as they asked for their assistance. More importantly, the ceaseless warfare finally came to an end.

Not to mention the benifets of Roman culture and technology, much of which was simply taken from the Greeks and improved upon by the Romans.

But I'm not going to get involved in another "pro-Rome vs anti-Rome" debate. Getting a little tired of them tbh.

[Pharnakes]

This is the first one I've seen here. TBH, I have to admit that the romans did bring one, and just one advantage to the greeks. But I have to admit it was a very important one. And that was stability.

[hellenes]

Freedom from the Macedonian yoke. Albeit they traded one master for another, but apparently the Rome was preferable to them as they asked for their assistance. More importantly, the ceaseless warfare finally came to an end.

Not to mention the benifets of Roman culture and technology, much of which was simply taken from the Greeks and improved upon by the Romans.

But I'm not going to get involved in another "pro-Rome vs anti-Rome" debate. Getting a little tired of them tbh.

Makedones were Hellenic people...so did the Hellenes liked the persians when they finansed the Peloponnesean war? For "Freedom from the Athenian yoke"?

[konny]

Just out of curiosity, how exactly did the Greeks "benefit" from the Romans?
By getting conquered?

Some Greeks might have found an end of the about 500 years (or more) of constant state of war in Greece desirable?

[MiniMe]

Some Greeks might have found an end of the about 500 years (or more) of constant state of war in Greece desirable?

Those of them who happened to be citizens of Korinth, did not had enough time to enjoy it, compliments goes to Lucii Mummii ;-)
(Not that I feel any simpathy towards EB Korinthoi, in my KH campaign they used to be the most "gifted" of all my precious family)

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Some Greeks might have found an end of the about 500 years (or more) of constant state of war in Greece desirable?

Yes actually they did seem to like warfare between cities. God knows why, but they did.
To make an example, let's say a few European countries start a war. No genocide or much civilian casualties, just scrapping. By your logic the best solution would be if China came and conquered Europe. And then the Europeans should be happy for it

its a case of tall poppy syndrome. Romans were the best at everything, so naturally everyone nowadays hates them. Its pathetic and ridiculous. Its just immature kids that dont actually know anything about history, and cant appreciate the real accomplishments of the Romans. Il just pick ONE example...Concrete. Where would we be without that invention. Several hundred technological years behind i tell ya that much.

yeah clearly you are very mature and unbiased

[Long lost Caesar]

i guess its a running joke between a lotta the guys here. nothing more to it really.

[Rodion Romanovich]

I have nothing against the early roman republic, which I in fact admire in many aspects - primarily their policy and concept of casus belli and bellum iustum. I do however dislike the late roman republic and the entire roman empire era, because of their moral decline (in terms of foreign politics), undermining of the concept of bellum iustum and casus belli, and the consequences of that - leaving Europe as a big mess. I also dislike the roman propaganda that still has left some traces today. Mainly two things: the disrespect for the other cultures of the time, giving them an image of brutality and primitivity, while Rome takes the credit for inventions that barbarians really came up with (such as soap, desert irrigation, aqueducts, good roads, quincunx, scutum, gladius, pilum, being protective to arts science and philosophy and "saving the works of the greeks from the barbarians", taking all credit for the greek philosophy, sometimes taking all the credits for everything that any person living in rome - whether roman or not - achieved, etc). The other thing is the constant curse over Europe that the aspiration to "create a new Rome" has been.

Rome is a good illustration of a simple point: that a comparatively good-hearted and morally superior faction can gain strength by applying this systematically - but not to an exaggerated extent. But also a proof that when it gets too powerful, it doesn't matter how good it was when it was weaker - enough power corrupts any empire.

[Rottweiler]

Everytime i see someone post that they're playing as Rome i see people boo'ing and whatnot. What gives?

1. Some people are jealous as Romans accomplished more than their "favorite faction".

2. Some people are still bitter that their probable ancestors were conquered by the Romans.

3. Some people think that Romans are overrepresented over the other late ancient peoples in the mainstream history. (I kind of suspect that most EB modders belongs to that category...)

4. Some people are snobbish and hate anything popular.

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5. Some people always side strongly with the underdogs as a matter of principle. Thus they also likely more or less hate Romans. (But they should remember that Romans were underdogs too...)

[LuciusCorneliusSulla]

5. Some people always side strongly with the underdogs as a matter of principle. Thus they also likely more or less hate Romans. (But they should remember that Romans were underdogs too...)

And here we have the most perfect explanation for our irrational hatred of the Roman Faction (not me, I'm a roman buff and have been recently tattooed with Latin inscriptions)

Underdog syndrome - the love of that which strives to excel under harsh conditions, and a disdain for an agent of the exact opposite, the 'overdog'

And just to set the record straight - luck? Come off it sunshine, they survived and thrived because of one simple fact - they learned and adapted.

Ovid - it is right to learn, even from the enemy

If you fight one losing battle in EB that you dont learn from, you truly have lost the battle